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The Circle of Loyalty
This spell costs less to cast for each Knight you control.
Creatures you control get +1/+1.
Whenever you cast a legendary spell, create a 2/2 white Knight creature token with vigilance.
, : Create a 2/2 white Knight creature token with vigilance.
1 month ago
Darth_Savage - Thanks for your thoughts and giving me an excuse to take a break from work!
In regard to graveyard synergy and knights...you are not wrong. Knights are not exactly the most ideal candidates for graveyard mechanics. You did miss Oathsworn Vampire who is similar to Deathless Knight but at least returns to play instead...even if it is tapped. But ya...those two are not exactly going to make any opponent tremble in a deck like this.
You are also not wrong about there being better reanimators out there like Bloodghast and company and that Breathless Knight would definitely shine brighter in a deck filled with those types of creatures. regardless of it not being used to its fullest potential, Breathless Knight + Dauntless Bodyguard + Haakon, Stromgald Scourge due have some great synergy as you can sac the bodyguard to grant indestructibility for a single , recast, and repeat. Recently added that combo and definitely need to capitalize on it more.
I am slowly agreeing with you regarding The Circle of Loyalty. Running a single copy is not ideal and even the games when I do get it, is is usually discarded or not played. I think I can remove that for something better for sure.
You mentioned you feel like the deck is torn in two ways...graveyard synergy and what I am guessing is the discard/madness? Is that right? If so, you are correct...I am trying to build the deck around Haakon and maximize my ability to get him in the graveyard to be played by hitting discards often. So it should feel like that to a degree but still need to likely get this strategy optimized...The recent changes were definitely for the better but not perfect by any means.
5 months ago
Metroid_Hybrid - That makes sense. I kinda did the same thing with my "tribal" knight deck (For Honor and Glory!!!) as humans and knights can get alot of synergy. Just wanted to throw Kinsbaile out there as he is a beast in a knight deck if you are willing/able to have a 4 CMC creature.
In regard to The Circle of Loyalty, I was not suggesting that for your deck but prior to your human sub-theme explanation I thought Kwende might have been a layover from having The Circle in as Kwende is a legendary. It is a really great card but you kinda have to build around it to maximize its efficiency and your build as you noted, is not the most ideal.
5 months ago
Thank you for the upvotes & comments. I actually haven't updated this list in years..
lhetrick13: The reason for running Kwende, Pride of Femeref over Kinsbaile Cavalier is because there is also a minor Human sub-theme here as well (note the Equipments). As far as The Circle of Loyalty, I simply don't like the conditionality of the card, and it doesn't do enough on it's own to justify the cost..
5 months ago
Metroid_Hybrid - As a fellow tribal knight lover, I can say I really like the deck. I am waiting to get my hands on Puresteel Paladin so I can make a equipment knight deck as well and you definitely provided some ideas.
The only thing that stuck out to me as odd is why run Kwende, Pride of Femeref in a tribal knight deck that does not include The Circle of Loyalty over Kinsbaile Cavalier? Kwende gives double strike to any creature you control that has first strike for 4 CMC. Kinsbaile gives any knight double strike for 4 CMC. Since you are running all knights and not of whom have first strike, seems like Kinsbaile would be the better choice.
5 months ago
TheReal_MtGHaystak - I have thought about adding in Gideon, Ally of Zendikar but I thought he would was pretty so-so being 4 CMC with his only abilities being able to make a free knight per turn or provide my other humans/knights some additional pump. Most the games I am playing with this deck usually are ending between turn 4-6 now as the deck is doing what it was designed to do rather well I think again limiting Gideon's viability. I also thought of adding in The Circle of Loyalty but it did not seem to fit in well in this knight deck but I am attempting to build a different knight deck around that card (Beyond the Grave).
1 year ago
smack80 Thank you!
First off, you're absolutely right about The Circle of Loyalty . I keep trying to convince myself that it is worth having in there. So that's one cut to fit in something you're suggesting.
As for getting Haakon into the yard, between the discard support, self mill, and Buried Alive and Entomb , I rarely have trouble getting him there. However, I didn't know Call the Bloodline existed, and will definitely find one to put in here. So there's my swap - Call in, Circle out.
As for the rest of your suggestions, the biggest problem is figuring out what to cut. There's definitely some lackluster Knights on the list, but they all share one important quality: low CMC. My biggest problem is mana curve. If I don't get a good mix from the beginning, it turns into a midrange deck without an adequate amount of disruption. In other words, not so good. As a result, it would seem like a no-brainer to replace Embereth Shieldbreaker with Mirror Entity , for example, but that one more mana in the cost might exasperate the problem. As it already is, pretty much all of the Knights that make the deck sing are 3 CMC. I have found that I rely heavily on the little guys in the early game, and don't really want to lose them.
Likewise, I don't know how to fit the tribal spells in here. I've been trying to figure that out for a long time, and can't decide which category to choose from to make room for them. There's a pretty solid balance of:
And the little space left over after all of that is taken up by a handful of ramp, and a little bit of artifact recursion. So what do I cut?
1 year ago
4 Thalia's Lancers just to find 1 Odric, Master Tactician feels excessive. Maybe adding some other legendary targets could make Lancers a more versatile tutor. The Circle of Loyalty immediately comes to mind, but I could see Kwende, Pride of Femeref or Gideon, Ally of Zendikar working too. I'd also want at least 1 knight to play on turn 2. That would let you curve into Knight Exemplar or Silverblade Paladin better. Knight of the White Orchid and Knight of Meadowgrain would be more classic suggestions, and Worthy Knight is a newer option great for going wide with anthems. A final card I'd name would be History of Benalia as a haymaker that's particularly good in aggressive 1v1 scenarios.
1 year ago
If you can afford it, I highly recommend Knight Exemplar for almost any knight deck. It makes even the smallest squires obnoxiously difficult to deal with, especially if you can get two copies in play. When I ran it in mono-white knights way back when, I found that I'd sometimes get into big board stalls, but Curry Favor on Smitten Swordmaster is a great way to win from such a position. You could also just try to go even wider with more Worthy Knight , History of Benalia , Call the Bloodline , Hero of Bladehold , Gideon, Ally of Zendikar , Sigiled Sword of Valeron , The Circle of Loyalty , or some combination thereof. With enough knights in the deck, I'd want the full 4 of Tournament Grounds and possibly some Unclaimed Territory / Cavern of Souls if your pockets are deep. If I was cutting something, I think I'd start with the Basri planeswalker deck package. With the possible exception of the Lieutenant, those cards are just not that efficient.
As an aside, I love the cheeky combo with Syr Gwyn, Hero of Ashvale and Colossus Hammer . It's probably too narrow to be effective right now, but I can totally see a world where that dream becomes a reality. Big dumb equipment like Helm of the Host , Moonsilver Spear , and Godsend supported by knights with equip synergy like Danitha Capashen, Paragon , Puresteel Paladin , Armored Skyhunter , Balan, Wandering Knight , and maybe even a Kinsbaile Cavalier for maximum overkill.