If Goyf got a standard reprint...
Economics forum
Posted on Sept. 21, 2014, 12:06 p.m. by APPLE01DOJ
What is everybody's guessas far as the price on a reprint. I kinda think that the standard printing would settle around 50$. What is every one elses guess?
Tarmogoyf about 180-200$ for an Modern Masters printing 130-160 for an Future Sight printing.
Cobthecobbler says... #3
If these fetches being reprinted are any hint, a standard printing of Goyf would settle at $15-$20. Think about it; there would be no backing behind something being printed for so long to still sit at $50+.
If he was printed as a mythic, then maybe $25-$30, but if he was rare, there would be printings in like, 1 in 3 binders if you were looking for them from other players.
September 21, 2014 12:29 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #4
I think u may be right, I know people would still pay 80-90$ a pop real quick.
Ebay pricing. I was high when I wrote that, may be a little low but that's generally what I see them going for...
Dunno if this link works but if it does... 155$ seems average.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_sop=1&LH_Auction=1&_nkw=Tarmogoyf&LH_Complete=1&rt=nc
September 21, 2014 12:29 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #5
Once the hypothetical set stopped being printed, he would slowly go on the rise (or quickly, who knows), but as long as he's being printed in mass-quantities, theres nothing to justify that big of a price for anything but the older printings. Also look at Thoughtseize . That card hit $80 once and now its maybe $12.
September 21, 2014 12:31 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #6
And hey man, pass the green over here, sharing is caring
September 21, 2014 12:33 p.m.
alpinefroggy says... #7
Ok i see thats ebay auctions which are typically the best deal you can get something at but I am looking at every large site on the internet and can find goyf future sight at 190-210 retail and ebay and tcg which are my go to "Buy it now" which are at 175 lowest. When the average price is taken from the internet its ussually 185 average
September 21, 2014 12:37 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #9
Goyf being reprinted? Only in a slow standard. A VERY slow standard.
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slow standard huh.
September 21, 2014 1:18 p.m.
Cobthecobbler you clearly haven't been paying attention to the price of Thoughtseize I haven't seen it for under $16 since it was reprinted and it's currently sitting at a solid $18 or higher
September 21, 2014 1:32 p.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #11
If Tarmogoyf is reprinted in Standard, I'm positive it would be a mythic. I also have some doubts about Goyf being reprinted sometime soon with fetches and Thoughtseize in Standard.
September 21, 2014 1:37 p.m.
I traded 3x SP Scalding Tarn for a Future Sight Tarmogoyf and 2x M15 Chord of Calling at FNM. The next week, they spoiled fetches in Khans.
September 21, 2014 1:37 p.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #13
Here is the thing about Goyf: he actually isn't that good in standard. Without fetches and discard, there will be no reliable way to make him big, so unless he is reprinted soon, I don't see him attracting much attention from standard players. That being said, It would be the third printing of him, so there would be a lot f him out there. However, he is highly desired, and having more access to a card like goyf just means more demand. His price would drop significantly while he is in standard, but the second he stops being printed, he would jump back up to near where he is now
September 21, 2014 2:06 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #14
The only reason they would print Goyf at mythic is because he's so popular. There is absolutely nothing Mythic-quality about an above-the-curve 2-drop with no abilities.
Mythic slots are reserved for cards that can absolutely decimate Limited pools and cards with extremely niche, potentially powerful effects. I don't think Goyf necessarily fits either of those bills.
Yes, I know he was a Mythic in MM. I still don't know why.
September 21, 2014 2:11 p.m.
MagicalHacker says... #16
Without fetches and other cards that go to the graveyard early and quickly, goyf could be non competitive actually. Anyone here remember when it was standard? Because I'm predicting it was meh back then.
September 21, 2014 2:28 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #17
Well we have A) a slow standard B) tons of graveyard hate because of standard mechanics and C) Thoughtseize and fetches to make him an actual threat... ...but only for the right deck...
BTW it's so nice that fetches are in standard. For the shuffle if nothing else, certainly helps decks no get mana screwed.
September 21, 2014 2:41 p.m.
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #18
Goyf was a dollar junk rare in its time in Standard. Absolutely nobody considered it a "real" card. It was basically Pack Rat before MBD.
September 21, 2014 5:34 p.m.
True, if they release him in a slow standard they can make him into a Rare. Or they can chose to really mess with the community and make it into a Legendary MR. Goyf EDH here we go! :D
September 21, 2014 11:01 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #20
@jraynor Regardless, It was $8 at one point. What it is now is completely irrelevant; it's been out for a long while now. I'm talking about the immediate economic reflection up to a few months after people have been playing with it for a while in standard.
Also worth reiterating that it isn't as good in standard as it is eternally.
September 21, 2014 11:17 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #21
I honestly don't think it would be printed at mythic either. I think it'd be a rare like it was in FS because there's literally nothing mythic about it. It was a mythic in MM but that was a supplemental set and this hypothetical reprint is in a standard legal set
September 21, 2014 11:19 p.m.
Tarmogoyf is honestly uncommon-level rarity. He's not particularly strong in Limited because usually it will just be creatures, instants, and sorceries in the graveyard.
However, I think enough people would throw a shit fit if he were printed at anything less than mythic. Personally, I wouldn't mind taking a hit on my own Tarmogoyf 's price if it meant more people could play Legacy and Modern.
Depending on what else is in the format (i.e. if he were printed next set in the block while Thoughtseize and Hero's Downfall are still in rotation), he could easily sit at $100. Virtually any green deck splashing another color for fetch lands and removal plays four copies.
Plus, he'd be in demand for an additional format. Reprints tend to not impact the long-term price of cards if they are in high demand. Lorwyn Thoughtseize s sat at $40 for a long time, until Modern was announced and they went to $80. With the Theros reprint, they're back to where they were a few years ago.
September 22, 2014 12:34 a.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #23
Lets do a quick comparison with legacy cards that just got reprinted: Polluted Delta was around 100 before the reprint. where is it now? 20. It lost 80% of its value, and it will be a relatively in demand standard card. It is also available to modern players now. And yet, while in standard, it is still at 20. I seriously doubt a card in standard will ever be 100. There is no reason for a pricetag that high because wizards will print to meet the demand, and his value will likely drop overall. I would see him at 40 while in standard easily.
September 22, 2014 1:44 a.m.
Jace, the Mind Sculptor was about $100 during standard, if I remember correctly. Liliana of the Veil was around $50, Voice of Resurgence peaked at $50ish. Tarmogoyf would definitely be more than $40 if reprinted soon. 4x everywhere in Standard, plus demand from Modern would make him minimum $50 imo, probably closer to 70 or 80.
September 22, 2014 2:01 a.m.
CommanderOfBolas says... #25
Those cards were highly desired in standard, and are hardly comparable. Goyf is only standard playable if he is in standard with fetches, otherwise he wont be that good. Voice peaked closer to 40, and that was right after a dragon's maze pro tour first place finish with it. virtually all of the value of goyf would come from modern and legacy, while those cards you named were highly desired for standard.
September 22, 2014 2:08 a.m.
fluffybunnypants says... #26
@ CommanderOfBolas Original Onslaught Strands and Deltas seemed to set around the $50-$60 mark. I'm sure they'll drop a little more, but they'll probably always be just over double the cost of the new ones.
September 22, 2014 1:45 p.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #27
People like the original Onslaught fetches, they fit the colours they represent a lot more, and the old border makes them "feel" right. They'll retain a fair portion of their value, purely because of aesthetic value.
September 22, 2014 1:59 p.m.
Well those cards were highly desirable in many formats, not just Standard. Angel of Serenity was highly desirable in Standard, as was Thragtusk , but they didn't go as high as the others I mentioned because the demand was Standard only. A card that is good across multiple formats will always be worth more than in only one because of the higher demand.
If goyf got a standard reprint SOON, with fetches and Thoughtseize and such, he would easily hit $60 or more. If he was reprinted in a bad environment, his price might be a bit cheaper, but the Modern demand would still drive the price above the regular $40 chase card in Standard
September 22, 2014 2:57 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #29
I love how this devolved into a 'Goyf thread. Then again, once 'Goyf gets mentioned in any thread, really, the entire thread shifts to center around it.
September 22, 2014 3:39 p.m.
canterlotguardian says... #30
...totally disregard that comment. I meant to post that in a different thread. My bad. :P
September 22, 2014 3:40 p.m.
Remember Voice of Resurgence sitting at 60 for the longest time, when it first found its home in pod? the demand was high in standard and modern, thus the price. I imagine it would be pretty similar if goyf was reprinted, maybe even a slightly lower price bc of its other 2 printings.
canterlotguardian people are passionate about tarmogoyf, they get rustled at the mention.
September 23, 2014 11:27 a.m.
Goyf is such a legendary card now its price would probably be propelled by standard players who know they should get one just in case they ever do play modern. This is reasonable given that he can fit in a ton of decks. I think this puts goyf above and beyond other reprints (like Thoughtseize , for example) because he's not a card that fits well into one type of deck, he's a card this fits well into any deck. Any smart standard player would therefore think that they SHOULD pick up a playset for the future.
I'm not sure if, in reality, that would influence things, but really when reprints come around you have to qestion whether they're useful for you. A tron player won't care much about the Thoughtseize reprint, for example. On the other hand everyone should care about goyf.
September 23, 2014 11:37 a.m.
The thoughtseize reprint was the turning point of building the rock deck, Thoughstseize was so expensive , and in addition to everything else I needed, it seemed out of the question. But then the reprint happened and it tanked, and here I am with a rock deck now.
September 23, 2014 11:41 a.m.
MM printed Goyf at mythic because it was one of the chase cards for the set. Vendilion Clique and Dark Confidant were, too, but Goyf was far harder to come by and they didn't want that to change.
September 23, 2014 1:44 p.m.
jpgcoleman says... #35
IMO Goyf would be a rare reprint making him mythic really defeats the purpose of reprinting to make overpriced format staples more access-able. It would likely be about $20-$30 as he should be. He is definitely the best aggro 2 drop in the game and probably should be reprinted. Having played with him before, I don't see the card actually being worth the price tag.
September 23, 2014 1:51 p.m.
His rarity, if reprinted in a set, would depend on the rest of the cards in the set...
If it were reprinted in a STANDARD format with no land destruction, no Fetches, and no discard, he could probably be printed as Uncommon as there would be less ways to abuse it. - (I doubt they would ever print it at Uncommon)
However, if it were printed in a SET which has all of those things in abundance, it would have to be Mythic, as they would not want it to be an automatic win for anyone who opens one in Draft/Limited.
Knowing the power of it, they would likely (if it ever got reprinted) make it Mythic, AND make sure there was little means for breaking it in Standard, AND ensure that there was a fair amount of graveyard hate.
September 23, 2014 2:31 p.m.
PreZchoICE1 says... #37
I remember opening 2 Dark Confidant at a Ravnica draft FNM and selling them to a friend for 10 bucks so I could get something to eat and have bus fare to get home.
September 23, 2014 4:47 p.m.
Cobthecobbler says... #39
All of you are comparing Goyf to mythic rare cards. Goyf isn't a mythic. Arguing that he could be is asinine because we aren't WOTC. He was a mythic in MM but you can't count that because that's a supplemental product.
alpinefroggy says... #2
where on earth did you get 130-160 for the Future sight version?
In any case, it would be very interesting but something of this caliber of a reprint like the fetchlands might actually be much more. People have fetchlands but many more people do not have goyfs. They seek and drool over the thought of having them and as such with its current price id say 80-90$ is what they would be at.
September 21, 2014 12:19 p.m.