Hey I don't know how well it would work, but could the Key be run in a Gitrog deck? It's a discard outlet, a one off. You can tap a land you plan on sacking to draw an additional card. The Gitrog Monster is a 6/6. Get some commander going. Also if you run Oblivion Crown or those other discard guys you can punch them in for big damage.

Or would it just be to slow for the deck? It's not really an Aggro deck after all.

Hotcake_Gotsyrup I mean, Wurmcoil Engine and Myr Battlesphere are fairly common in Daretti and they can attack, I guess. I'd imagine that some sort of beatstick is used as the win condition if you don't want to go with infinite combos or Darksteel Reactor. Still, key doesn't seem great in general.

just checked my deretti deck, i run wurmcoil engine but thats it. i win through staff. or slaver locking someone and making them kill everyone else

Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir and Teferi, Temporal Archmage need to switch. Teferi, Temporal Archmage hits the battlefield and doesn't have a big enough affect. Now Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir hits the battlefield not only at instant speed but stops everyone from playing instants! allowing you to combo off without being disturbed. He also stops all opponents from playing spells with Knowledge Pool

Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir is without question one of the most powerful commanders FAR more impactfull than Teferi, Temporal Archmage

I don't mean to be overly blunt, but this clearly false. I'll leave the why to people who actually play the Teferi's.

A simple place to start is that Teferi Walker is basically free (due to the -1). Teferi Mage is harder to cast early due to the UUU requirement. While not particularly obvious, Teferi Walker goes infinite with The Chain Veil. You -1 Teferi to death, generating mana along the way. Then you recast him and all of the Chain Veil activations are reapplied to him, as he is now a new object. From there, you get infinite +1s, -1s, etc. to win on the spot.

Teferi Mage does not have such utility. Being unable to do anything after investing 5 mana into your commander leaves your opponent an oppotunity to respond (like an ad nauseum or something). Almost all the T1 combo deck can go off at sorcery speed, meaning that the limitation is largely irrelevent. This is as far as my knowledge of the Teferi's go. If you read the primer for the Teferi Walker and Jace VP decks, you would get a good idea of why Teferi Mage is not T1/T2.

Lilbrudder you're welcome to your opinion and I'm welcome to mine. Also I play teferi. my comment is just my opinion just like all the Tiers are the opinion of the creator of the list. Your comment came off as more rude/ignorant than blunt however I'm not going to feed this anymore. no harm no foul.

thegigibeast stated that I am welcome to try to convince him otherwise.

I hope you have a great day.

merrowMania thank you for your clarification. I understand that you can combo off at sorcery speed i have done it myself successfully right in to a counterspell. I have found that investing 5 mana on someones end step and then comboing off with out them being able to Force of Will or any other cheap counter is more reliable. In my meta that is

"in my meta"

This is usually the crux of the issue.

Your meta may not be fully competitive, we don't know, either way your meta isn't necessarily representative of cEDH as a whole. This list is meant to take "meta" out of the equation.

That being said there are a few commanders that are easy to be meta built like yisan but only because the "core" or "best in slot" cards are so small that the rest is flexible.

Teferi, either one of them, is't really one of those commanders.

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lefty117: Same to you. This goes beyond opinion however. You are more than welcome to state your case, but your claim that Teferi walker should be tier 3 is clearly false. He has an extremely impactful -1 ability and he is terrifying to play against. Teferi mage while good does nothing to shut down most combo decks and he does not produce card advantage. A better argument would have started I think Teferi mage should be higher in tier. Saying teferi walker is tier 3 is an ignorant statement.

Teferi creature can actually backfire in a way as well, if someone else is going off on their turn and you don't have enough counters the rest of the table can't help you.

Regardless, it's just conjecture.

On another note, Rashmi, Eternities Crafter seems REALLY strong to me. She is an elf, her color scheme is really strong, and her ability is abaolutely fantastic. She provides Raw card advantage that can be used on every players turn. I think she is definitely tier 2 material. When I first saw her I thought creature but her ability triggers off ANY spell on each turn. That is extremely abusable

I'm kinda iffy about her because you can't make use of her ability until you pass the turn to your opponent, meaning they get to untap (and possibly kill her immediately) before you get to do anything with her. Don't get me wrong, the ability is strong. But being unable to immediately gain a benefit from it is a problem.

she will be good in the 99 of momir vig, since you can stack your deck with his triggers before you rashmi flip. she seems a tad weak as a commander, because her effect isn't easily abused. she is a much better jori en and that is how she will probably be used. rashmi will probably end up as t3 simply because she gives you card advantage with less input

Rashmi is alright as a commander. Obviously Edric and Vig are both superior. Based on the performance of concept decks running her at the helm, I would put her at the lower end of Tier 2. Psuedo-cascade / card advantage several times per turn cycle is nothing to scoff at.

Noctem, that drawback is sort of mitigated by the whole "cast something on each player's turn" strategy.

Seedborn Muse, flash granters, your mana efficient control like Force of Will, Misdirection and Daze; there's a pretty good chance you're going to get some value off of her even if you're being ganged up on. (And honestly, why would you get ganged up on? She doesn't look very threatening.)

Also, her ability is very flexible. You can choose not to cast the revealed card even if it's less than the spell you cast, so if you cast Force of Will and reveal a Counterspell, the Counterspell won't get wasted.

sonnet666 So you need to have instants to cast that are relevant, wait for your opponent to start his/her turn AND hope they don't have any removal? And then you also need the top card to be a nonland spell you can actually cast because it specifically needs to cost LESS than the spell you used to trigger her ability. So 1-2 CMC instant spells aren't even good for this purpose (which would define most of the instant spells you would play after casting a 4CMC card right?). Blergh.

Shes certainly not perfect, but she is better than newzuri, which is a borderline tier 2/3 commander. I agree with Narejed that she is weak tier 2

I simply don't like the amount of hoops you have to get through simply to gain any kind of benefit from only ability. And at 4CMC she kind of has to give some immediate or quick benefit. So many hoops though...

Noctem, Not at all. I was thinking a control shell where you cast her, pass to your opponent, counter their removal, and either get a cheap spell or a cantrip.

Honestly, the casting for free thing is just gravy. Even if all she did was cantrip the first spell you cast each turn I'd still want to play her, because that makes counterspells.dec way more viable.

I'm still agreeing with the low T2 estimate because she doesn't have too much of a direction, but she's really easy to play with.

These mastercraft artifacts just made 90% of cEDH players wet themselves

Ohthenoises I know right? I'm strongly considering purchasing any of them that I run that end up under $50. Sadly, there is no way I'm really going to spend more than that, especially the $200+ price tag some of these are certain to fetch.

Those Sol Rings and Mana Vaults are going to outrageous $$$, demand will be through the roof

On Gonti lord of luxury, he should be run in a combo control shell that gets infinite colored mana and sacs him and brings him back enough to exile all libraries. I think he should be t3 just for this. Any other way to do this, like loop him?