Dissipate vs Dissolve
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Posted on July 4, 2014, 12:33 p.m. by Dalektable
With Dissipate being reprinted in M15 it brings up the question of which counterspell will reign supreme, Dissipate or Dissolve ? Both have their perks, Dissipate makes sure no graveyard shenanigans are to happen and Dissolve lets you control your next draw. In a control deck in the current standard, which is better? I'm personally leaning towards Dissolve , the scry can be very powerful and help you not draw a land or something late game. When Dissipate was in standard flashback and reanimator were existing things, so obviously at the time that card ruled. Though, now I think we would rather have the scry unless dredge/reanimator suddenly becomes huge. (Which I doubt with the Tormod's Crypt being reprinted) So what do you think, which counterspell will see more play now that both will be in standard together?
I'll personally play both, my counterspell package in esper was a bit lacking since syncopate is so underwhelming after turn 7. Plus having a way to get rid of chandra's Phoenix for good will be nice
July 4, 2014 12:38 p.m.
I think neither spell has a distinct advantage while we don't have Khans spoiled, but I appreciate the option as blue player.
July 4, 2014 12:45 p.m.
Exiling for Whip of Erebos , Chandra's Phoenix and the few dredge decks hanging around are not of greater relevance than the Scry currently, especially when the current control shells are more tap out control than draw-go. You need to find your hay makers quickly. Also, Syncopate is still a spell for a few more months. It gets a little awkward late game, but it's a little too important to be able to interact on T2 sometimes. That 1 or 2 of Syncopate has saved me from T2 Domri Rade a lot. Until that balance shifts I don't see any reason to run Dissipate yet.
July 4, 2014 1:12 p.m.
mowservision says... #8
It all comes down to the player's choice and local meta. Like other people have said, I would use both.
July 4, 2014 2:11 p.m.
The two and one drop counterspells tend to be valued more highly than the 3 drop spells, even if they are conditional.
July 4, 2014 2:31 p.m.
I'll stick with Dissolve for now. B/G dredge is sort of a thing, but nothing like past reanimator shenanigans, and not nearly as prevalent in the meta. Unless something pops up in KTK to push some graveyard-fueled decks, I don't see the exile being more important than the scry.
July 4, 2014 3:26 p.m.
I see Dissolve being better all purpose, with Dissipate going in sideboards. Scrying is always relevant, while exiling is specifically against graveyard control. I could be wrong, though.
July 4, 2014 5:08 p.m.
I feel Dissolve is way more powerful then Dissipate . The exile barely matters and so why would you run it when you could just scry instead???
Now, thats also coming from someone who lives in a meta with no graveyard shenanigans at all so, i may be biased.
July 6, 2014 10:59 p.m.
TheAnnihilator says... #13
I remember a time when the exile was actually relevant, but I do feel like Dissipate could do some work in the current meta. Yes, graveyard shenanigans are kindof there, but exiling a wincon vs. an Elixir of Immortality deck is quite relevant, and many times vs. MBD I would have won the game if I had exiled that Desecration Demon before a well-timed Whip of Erebos . Additionally, I never really liked Syncopate because your opponent just plays around it, and would still do that if you weren't actually running it. I will be mainboarding at least one Dissipate , and a split doesn't seem too bad.
MindAblaze says... #2
If Jace, the Living Guildpact is a hint at anything, I feel like graveyard decks could be a thing. So Dissipate could be very valuable. My gut is when control figures itself out, there will be some kind of split between the two. Unless we see a new card that makes one of the two irrelevant.
July 4, 2014 12:36 p.m.