Dissipate vs Dissolve

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Posted on July 4, 2014, 12:33 p.m. by Dalektable

With Dissipate being reprinted in M15 it brings up the question of which counterspell will reign supreme, Dissipate or Dissolve ? Both have their perks, Dissipate makes sure no graveyard shenanigans are to happen and Dissolve lets you control your next draw. In a control deck in the current standard, which is better? I'm personally leaning towards Dissolve , the scry can be very powerful and help you not draw a land or something late game. When Dissipate was in standard flashback and reanimator were existing things, so obviously at the time that card ruled. Though, now I think we would rather have the scry unless dredge/reanimator suddenly becomes huge. (Which I doubt with the Tormod's Crypt being reprinted) So what do you think, which counterspell will see more play now that both will be in standard together?

MindAblaze says... #2

If Jace, the Living Guildpact is a hint at anything, I feel like graveyard decks could be a thing. So Dissipate could be very valuable. My gut is when control figures itself out, there will be some kind of split between the two. Unless we see a new card that makes one of the two irrelevant.

July 4, 2014 12:36 p.m.

bigv54 says... #3

I'll personally play both, my counterspell package in esper was a bit lacking since syncopate is so underwhelming after turn 7. Plus having a way to get rid of chandra's Phoenix for good will be nice

July 4, 2014 12:38 p.m.

Arvail says... #4

I think neither spell has a distinct advantage while we don't have Khans spoiled, but I appreciate the option as blue player.

July 4, 2014 12:45 p.m.

GoldGhost012 says... #5

Either way, this means we don't have to run Cancel .

July 4, 2014 1 p.m.

Servo_Token says... #6

July 4, 2014 1:12 p.m.

Slycne says... #7

Exiling for Whip of Erebos , Chandra's Phoenix and the few dredge decks hanging around are not of greater relevance than the Scry currently, especially when the current control shells are more tap out control than draw-go. You need to find your hay makers quickly. Also, Syncopate is still a spell for a few more months. It gets a little awkward late game, but it's a little too important to be able to interact on T2 sometimes. That 1 or 2 of Syncopate has saved me from T2 Domri Rade a lot. Until that balance shifts I don't see any reason to run Dissipate yet.

July 4, 2014 1:12 p.m.

mowservision says... #8

It all comes down to the player's choice and local meta. Like other people have said, I would use both.

July 4, 2014 2:11 p.m.

ChiefBell says... #9

The two and one drop counterspells tend to be valued more highly than the 3 drop spells, even if they are conditional.

July 4, 2014 2:31 p.m.

Skraz1265 says... #10

I'll stick with Dissolve for now. B/G dredge is sort of a thing, but nothing like past reanimator shenanigans, and not nearly as prevalent in the meta. Unless something pops up in KTK to push some graveyard-fueled decks, I don't see the exile being more important than the scry.

July 4, 2014 3:26 p.m.

Egann says... #11

I see Dissolve being better all purpose, with Dissipate going in sideboards. Scrying is always relevant, while exiling is specifically against graveyard control. I could be wrong, though.

July 4, 2014 5:08 p.m.

TheGamer says... #12

I feel Dissolve is way more powerful then Dissipate . The exile barely matters and so why would you run it when you could just scry instead???

Now, thats also coming from someone who lives in a meta with no graveyard shenanigans at all so, i may be biased.

July 6, 2014 10:59 p.m.

I remember a time when the exile was actually relevant, but I do feel like Dissipate could do some work in the current meta. Yes, graveyard shenanigans are kindof there, but exiling a wincon vs. an Elixir of Immortality deck is quite relevant, and many times vs. MBD I would have won the game if I had exiled that Desecration Demon before a well-timed Whip of Erebos . Additionally, I never really liked Syncopate because your opponent just plays around it, and would still do that if you weren't actually running it. I will be mainboarding at least one Dissipate , and a split doesn't seem too bad.

July 7, 2014 3:07 p.m.

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