Looking For Cards
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Posted on Nov. 6, 2020, 3:32 p.m. by Massacar
So I'm building a list for our Sundial on a stick, Obeka, Brute Chronologist.
I am looking for cards that I can abuse with her end the turn effects.
Currently I've got Herald of Leshrac for land theft shenanigans, Phyrexian Dreadnought for a big beasty I can get out of paying the sac cost for, and Final Fortune/Last Chance for abuseable extra turn spells.
So far my list has a lot of random stuff thrown in otherwise since I'm looking for more of these types of cards.
Wanna buy a sundial?
Commander / EDH*
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FormOverFunction says... #3
I LOVE Chamber of Manipulation, so good call Mj3913. If this mechanic works for Act of Treason would cards like Act of Heroism adorn your creature with new abilities? Or would Accursed Horde make your zombies indestructible permanently?
November 6, 2020 7:47 p.m.
JANKYARD_DOG says... #4
That's what I am wondering myself, if EOT effects become indefinite. I have my doubts because it creates a memory issue but I could be wrong. Perhaps the release notes will tell of that.
November 6, 2020 10:02 p.m.
Do a scryfall search on "until end of turn". You can try to add political cards, but likely will not get a benefit worthwhile since your helping an opponent.
November 6, 2020 10:06 p.m.
JANKYARD_DOG says... #6
On Obeka, Brute Chronologist it states "until end of turn effects end". The release notes don't say anything about them remaining so I can only assume the above statement means they terminate as normal. I'm no judge, though it would be interesting to know for sure.
November 6, 2020 10:36 p.m.
multimedia says... #7
Hey, "until end of the turn" effects don't work with Sundial because "until" doesn't create a trigger that goes on the stack. "Until end of the turn" effects end at the Cleanup step which is the same step that you are taken to when you "end the turn" with Sundial. These effects don't trigger instead SBAs (State Based Actions) end the effect where a check happens at the Cleanup step, but no trigger is put onto the stack to response too. You need the effect to trigger before you can end it with Sundial.
Effects that say "at the beginning of end step" or "at the end of turn" work with Sundial because they trigger at the beginning of the end step and you need the trigger to respond to by activating Sundial in response which removes the trigger. If you don't get the trigger then you can't respond to it with Sundial. "At" wording is a trigger. "Until" wording isn't a trigger.
Chamber of Manipulation doesn't work with Sundial because the wording is "until end of the turn". The creature is in your control until the Cleanup step, but there's no trigger that will go on the stack when you lose control of the creature. You need this trigger to response to with Sundial to gain permanent control of the creature. Instead what happens is at the Cleanup step with a SBA the creature is returned to it's owner.
If Chamber's wording was different and said "Gain control of target creature. At the beginning of the next end step return that creature to it's owner's control" then you could response to the end step trigger with Sundial and gain permanent control of the creature.
November 7, 2020 1:57 a.m.
plakjekaas says... #8
Sneak Attack and everything else that can make stuff that you have to sacrifice/exile at the end of turn.
November 7, 2020 11:20 a.m.
Literally every card with encore works great. The encore is phrased just like Feldon of the Third Path's ability. When it triggers at the beginning of the end step, you end the turn and the trigger gets exiled without ever resolving. Since it won't trigger again, you get to keep all your tokens. Theft effects like Act of Aggression that say "until end of turn" is what Obeka's reminder text is referring to when it says "this turn" and "until end of turn" effects end.
JANKYARD_DOG says... #2
If Obeka was a Pirate I would say Admiral Beckett Brass. And I have no idea how rulings work with cards such as Arm with AEther. Would they keep they effect indefinitely? If so, then Gold!.
Captivating Crew and Chamber of Manipulation though, and adds like Act of Treason means you keep the creatures.
November 6, 2020 5:20 p.m.