Can I ask how this negates the trigger?
I haven't played with phasing so i don't know how it works.
April 8, 2012 10:59 p.m.
When a permanent is phased out, it is treated as though it does not exist. When Phyrexian Dreadnought's enter the battlefield ability triggers, you cast Vision Charm and phase him out. The charm will resolve first, then you choose to sacrifice the dreadnought for his trigger, but when you try to sacrifice him he will not exist so you cannot sacrifice him. While a permanent is phased out, it is still on the battlefield, it doesn't go anywhere but cannot be interacted with. It doesn't technically enter the battlefield when it phases in, so Phyrexian Dreadnought's ability will not trigger again and it will not have summoning sickness.
April 8, 2012 11:09 p.m.
It doesn't go into any zones...it kind of just floats until the turn after and so no ETB effects occur.
April 8, 2012 11:10 p.m.
I know, a turn one 12/12 trample is certainly bannable.
April 8, 2012 11:12 p.m.
Dispel and Force of Will say cool story bro. He will phase in during the untap step without using the stack, so by the time they receive priority to use instant speed removal, I will have plenty of mana open for one of those 20 counterspells in the deck.
April 8, 2012 11:17 p.m.
He still needs to resolve on the stack before you can Phase him, I thought? You still need to sacrifice those creatures don't you then you can Phase him with no ill effects?
I am assuming this is the case or we would see more of this play in Legacy/Vintage.
April 8, 2012 11:39 p.m.
April 8, 2012 11:50 p.m.
Minousmancer, here are the relevant ruling from the MTG Comprehensive Rulebook:
502.1. First, all phased-in permanents with phasing that the active player controls phase out, and all phased-out permanents that the active player controlled when they phased out phase in. This all happens simultaneously. This turn-based action doesnt use the stack. See rule 702.24, Phasing.
702.24b If a permanent phases out, its status changes to phased out. Except for rules and effects that specifically mention phased-out permanents, a phased-out permanent is treated as though it does not exist. It cant affect or be affected by anything else in the game.
You have to sacrifice Phyrexian Dreadnought because you cannot sacrifice enough creatures who's power adds up to 12. However, Phyrexian Dreadnought will be safely phased out and cannot be affected by anything else in the game, including a forced sacrifice.
April 8, 2012 11:55 p.m.
Checked the ruling, Phasing stops ETB abilities to work.
April 8, 2012 11:55 p.m.
Well that's just broken, sad, I was looking forward to playing with my old friend :(
April 9, 2012 midnight
Yeah, I'm sorry, I saw your dreadnought deck and I was thinking that this would be a better way to play him. I wasn't really trying to get him banned at first :(
April 9, 2012 12:07 a.m.
A 12/12 for (1) is broken but the limit they put on it was nice, phasing tis' lame(well at least I'm annoyed with it at the moment).
April 9, 2012 12:16 a.m.
It's extremely ironic to me that the two were introduced in the same block, but Wizards says they try not to appease combo players. Sneaky sneaky.
April 9, 2012 12:18 a.m.
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