Suspended creatures
Asked by Noloic 13 years ago
Today,while i was duelling with a friend of mine,Marce,we've got an argument because of an ability text. Here's the scenario :
- 18 life.
- 9 free mana (3 Islands,Seat of the Synod,2 Mountains,great-fournace,Sulfur Falls and Steam Vents).
- Pathrazer of Ulamog,suspended with 1 time counter on it.
- 21 life.
- 1 free mana (Grim Backwoods) and other 14 tapped mana (7 Swamps,5 Forests,phyrexian-core and Woodland Cemetery).
It's my upkeep,so i cast Pathrazer of Ulamog removing the last time counter from it. I've got Rite of Replication in my hand,and,since i've got 9 free mana,i could cast it kicked. I copyed my Pathrazer of Ulamog 5 times,so i put 5 creature tokens onto my battlefield beyond the original one. I declared them attacking,but Marce stopped me,saying the tokens couldn't attack that turn,because,he said,they hadn't haste. I told him that the tokens were copies of Pathrazer of Ulamog,just entered the battlefield after a suspension effect (as you know,Suspend is an ability that says "At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter from that card. When the last is removed, cast it without paying its mana cost. If it's a creature, it has haste."),so even them had haste,since it's an ability's text.
I didn't want to spend more time on argumenting,because i got annoyed,so i left the other 5 in defense (that costed me the game,because he got Black Sun's Zenith and Wurmcoil Engine in hand). Who were right?
NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #2
I think he was right. Copying a creature would not copy any effects on that creature.
I think this would be similar to, say, copying a creature that has an aura attached to it that gave it haste. The new creatures do not have this aura, so they would not gain haste.
February 10, 2012 2:18 p.m.
Aura Enchantment works differently from Suspend's ability,you know. The copied creatures will be a simple copy of the original creature,and since it hadn't haste as a core ability,the copy won't have it. That's different from what i said. The Suspend ability SHOULD give haste to the suspended creature ("[...]. If it's a creature, it has haste."),that's why i was asking.
February 10, 2012 2:23 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #4
The suspend ability does not actually print the word "haste" on the creature that was suspended. It simply states that that creature has/gains haste. This additional ability is not a copiable property of the creature.
February 10, 2012 2:51 p.m.
Hmm i see. So he was right. Thanks for your answer,now i got it.
Noloic says... #1
Phyrexia's Core
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February 10, 2012 2:06 p.m.