Goglari Bombs
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Posted on June 9, 2014, 11:23 a.m. by harrydemon117
Anyone have any particular "bombs" that they play in Golgari colors? (black, green, or B/G). I'm looking for input to help put more win cons into a midrange deck
Hjaltrohir says... #3
Vraska the Unseen , Pharika, God of Affliction , Hydra Broodmaster and sometimes Nighthowler
June 9, 2014 12:06 p.m.
Reaper of the Wilds is probably your best and then maybe Polukranos if you have enough ramp.
June 9, 2014 12:37 p.m.
Desecration Demon , Polukranos, World Eater , Reaper of the Wilds , Arbor Colossus , Scavenging Ooze , Courser of Kruphix (not necessarily a bomb but amazing in any deck running green), Master of the Feast ... not sure what you already have in your deck but all of these are great in B/G midrange decks.
June 9, 2014 1:05 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #6
I'm currently running 4x Reaper of the Wilds , 4x Courser of Kruphix and 2x Desecration Demon along with 3x Vraska the Unseen (for more removal against ALL non land things). But sometimes it feels like I could use 1 or 2 more.
I thought about adding in Polukranos, World Eater or Hydra Broodmaster as I tend to have about 7-9 mana on board with only 1 win con to speak of (due to trading/removal/etc). The broodmaster gives me a great way to spend my excess mana.
Also, what your thoughts on running a Sylvan Primordial in main and another in the side?
June 9, 2014 2:20 p.m.
Master of the Feast is a very risky card and it's not meant for midrange decks.
June 9, 2014 2:22 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #8
Yeah I wouldn't run master as he is more of an aggro card I feel.
June 9, 2014 2:28 p.m.
EDIT: sorry this ended up being a long rant, it was not my intention
having seen this guy a lot I can tell you that Master of the Feast
is a beast. Sure it's better in an aggro build where you just need one swing out of him to finish your opponent. That way you only have to get him to stick on the board for a turn and the game is over. But it doesn't matter if your playing aggro or midrange, they will still have just as many opportunities to find an answer and draw just as many cards, so his ability isn't enough of a downside to set you back. Either they'll have it or they won't. Now I'm not an idiot, I'm not saying build the entire deck focused around him or anything like that. He's definitely worthy of consideration though as an include in the deck as something like a 2x of. Even if your opponent does draw an answer to him with the card they get on "YOUR UPKEEP", they would have had to either A.) held back mana on their turn hoping their next card would be playable on your turn and is what they need, or B.) play what they could when it was their turn and wait till their turn to use what they just drew.
Both scenarios are pretty good for the guy who played the Master of the Feast . In the scenario A, your opponent essentially missed their turn hoping to get an answer on yours, that's a great tempo play even if they do draw an answer (which they aren't going to do every time) because after they use their removal on him your dropping down another threat in Desecration Demon or Reaper of the Wilds or Polukranos, World Eater . That's not what they want to see after they just wasted a turn and used a removal spell, because they're not likely to draw back to back removal spells. In scenario B, your going to get swing in with the Master of the Feast and drop down one of your 4 drops. Now on their turn they're only going to be able to do something about one of those things which is still going to set them back.
People were so quick to judge his ability when he was first spoiled before release that it's like no one has bothered doing any testing with him at all. It's like when people go to build a deck they're sitting there thinking, "I heard someone say that was bad so I'm not even gonna try it at all". Not every card has to be a 4x of, in order to be an effective card. Remember not every deck is even going to have an answer to a flyer that big, so giving them more chances to draw an answer is irrelevant because you'll win through the air before they can take advantage of their card advantage they got. Plus, B/G is capable of dropping down so many threats that need to be answered right away that there is no way they'll be able to answer everything. Think about this as well, If your on the play and play a turn 3 Master of the Feast . that means when your able to attack with it on your next turn if it get's killed while attacking, your opponent will have drawn 4 total cards (3 for their turns + 1 for the demon ability). In that exact same scenario if that same play is a turn 4 Desecration Demon (something everyone would agree is widely used and you use already), then on your next turn when you attack with it, if it gets killed your opponent will have drawn the same 4 cards (for their 4 turns they've taken) but they also have the option to sac a creature and stall for more turns. So you can see, there isn't really a disadvantage to playing something like the Master in a B/G midrange deck. They're going to have the same answer at the same time, regardless of if your playing this or the cards you've already included in the deck. The only way they truly get an advantage from drawing a card on your upkeep is from repeated use, but because it's a 5/5 flyer to go along with the other beatsticks you already have they never get enough uses out of the card draw to take advantage of it.
June 9, 2014 3:37 p.m.
Doesn't mean you played against one that was in a properly built deck or piloted by an experienced player.... so what's your point?
June 9, 2014 4:22 p.m.
Maybe that's because properly built decks and experienced players don't actually use them.
That's my point.
June 9, 2014 4:52 p.m.
I top 2 split at my lgs with a b/g enchantment/midrange deck. fun. yes. vulnerable and risky. yes#myrant. And my lgs is competitive in a big city where many stores compete and mine is the most competitive sitting at 4 box fnm prize pool. I played 6 rounds, top 8, and top 4 against standards meta. burn. control. g/x/x midrange or monsters. devotion.
June 9, 2014 10:44 p.m.
I played RotW, Herald of Torment, Boon Satyr, Master of the Feast, Eidolon of Blossoms, Coursers, Pharika, some enchantments and some removal. Sorry not tagged, Im on my phone
June 9, 2014 10:46 p.m.
harrydemon117 says... #15
Ok well aside from the /myrant posts on here (lol), it would seem that no one is using any new "bombs" from JOU except for maybe Master of the Feast and Hydra Broodmaster is that correct?
June 11, 2014 8:56 a.m.
I actually think Heroes' Bane is a pretty solid card. It does cost one more mana than polukranos and you get a 4/4 instead of a 5/5, but just like the rest of the big fatties G/B can play it has to be answered right away because it's not hard for this guy to get out of hand quickly. I haven't played with him yet because right now there are just better options, but I've been keeping him in the back of my mind for when rotation comes just in case I think I can make use of him weather it's a B/G deck or mono G deck.
June 11, 2014 11:17 a.m.
Heroes' Bane would have been good if it had Trample. Agree with Master of the Feast suggestion. on topic, Vraska the Unseen definitely. don't leave home without it!
June 11, 2014 12:30 p.m.
yeah, right now there are just better options than Heroes' Bane , as I'd use everything that I mentioned in my first post before I'd use him. I was just throwing him out there, like I said I've been keeping him in mind just in case come rotation. As cr14mson pointed out, Heroes' Bane is better with trample so I guess depending on the build that means Nylea, God of the Hunt could be an option.
June 11, 2014 1:07 p.m.
wonder_llama says... #19
Primeval Bounty is definitely a bomb that wins games.
Osang says... #2
Polukranos, World Eater and Reaper of the Wilds come to mind.
June 9, 2014 11:49 a.m.