fiend of the shadows?
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Posted on Jan. 17, 2012, 5:57 p.m. by bwhite
Text: Flying
Whenever Fiend of the Shadows deals combat damage to a player, that player exiles a card from his or her hand. You may play that card for as long as it remains exiled.
Sacrifice a Human: Regenerate Fiend of the Shadows
Question I have about this card is do you have to pay the casting cost of the exiled card? This would be hard to do if I am playing a red/back deck and the other guy is playing green/white, how would I be able to pay the cost. This leads me to believe that I can play the exiled card for free. Am I correct in assuming that?
rckclimber777 says... #3
You must pay the casting cost for the exiled card. This is the same as cards like card:Praetor's Grasp. Typically a card like this in the core set would have a reminder text saying that you would have to still pay the mana cost of the card. This is also true of the new lich.
January 17, 2012 6:41 p.m.
SwiftDeath says... #4
if you wanted to be able to pay the cost then you could always run Shimmering Grotto .
January 17, 2012 7:34 p.m.
Strangelove says... #5
Birds of Paradise , Alloy Myr , Manalith , Mox Opal , Sphere of the Suns , Shimmering Grotto is about all you can use.
January 18, 2012 12:08 a.m.
So if I am playing EDH red/black and the other guy is play green/white and the y card he placing down a green card like birds of paradise can I use manalith to cast it even though it is not my commanders colors?
January 18, 2012 8:34 a.m.
Strangelove says... #7
If you have a Birds of Paradise on the field, and you exile one of his cards, yea. Tap the bird for white mana and pay the cost and it enters under your control, no matter what it is.
January 18, 2012 12:31 p.m.
rckclimber777 says... #8
Actually in EDH no you can't. You may only generate colors that are part of your commander's color identity as noted by this rule.
If an effect would generate mana of an illegal colour, it generates colourless mana instead.
January 20, 2012 11:21 a.m.
Cyber Locc says... #9
but if your playing in a 60 if you read the card they choose which card to exile they exile a land and you can play the land which in turn now you have the land nesscary to cast other stuff they exile all around this is a good card at only 50 cents at the moment im buying a ton as these will likely go up in price
heres the cards rules
Playing a card exiled with Fiend of the Shadows follows all the normal rules for playing that card. You must pay its costs, and you must follow all timing restrictions, for example. 1/22/2011 You may only play the card, meaning play it as a land or cast it as a spell. It's not in your hand. You can't discard it, activate its cycling abilities, and so on. 1/22/2011 As long as the card remains exiled, you may still play it, even if Fiend of the Shadows leaves the battlefield or changes controllers. 1/22/2011 If this creature deals combat damage to multiple players simultaneously, perhaps because some combat damage was redirected, its ability will trigger for each of those players.
February 3, 2012 6:15 p.m.
That still doesn't matter. If you are playing a red/black and he is playing a green/white, you still can't cast his green or white cards in EDH. Even though you could play a forest your opponent exiled, that forest generates an illegal mana based off of your general's colors so instead that forest generates colorless mana once its under your control.
February 4, 2012 2:35 a.m.
He said if your playing 60, which I assume means not edh.
February 4, 2012 11:01 a.m.
Cyber Locc says... #12
ya i did not mean edh lol i know it would create colorless lol i was taking bout 60
February 4, 2012 10:47 p.m.
stereomonk says... #13
U exile their land and play it if u don't hav the color u need.
May 12, 2013 11:06 p.m.
Unfortunately in EDH, even with a Manalith , you would not be able to play green/white spells you exile with Fiend of the Shadows if your EDH is red/black only. The Manalith can only produce red, black, or colorless (due to trying to produce the other three colors) mana. You can still play their lands, though, if you manage to exile one.
And yes, you would have to pay the mana cost. Cards that let you cast certain spells for free say so (examples: Diluvian Primordial , Jace, Architect of Thought 's -8, Planeswalker's Mischief , Spelltwine ). Fiend of the Shadows , Nightveil Specter , Havengul Lich , etc. don't have that statement, and therefore you must be able to provide the correct mana in order to cast the spells in question.
May 12, 2013 11:20 p.m.
Chromatic Lantern won't work in EDH. If you attempt to produce mana outside your commander's color identity, you get colorless mana instead. So it still won't work for casting a green/white/blue spell when your commander is red/black.
May 13, 2013 2:24 a.m.
Kogarashi: I was under the impression that it had already been clarified that it is not possible in EDH and the discussion was just about use in other formats.
May 13, 2013 2:44 a.m.
Fair enough.
In that regard, I use Fiend of the Shadows and Havengul Lich in my Undying Evil deck, supported by a pair of Manalith and a Prophetic Prism . That way my mana splash can still cover the predominant red/black colors of the deck while filling in the gaps as necessary. Was loads of fun using those and the Havengul Lich to keep casting my opponent's dead Orochi Leafcaller and then sac it to Bloodflow Connoisseur .
May 13, 2013 2:31 p.m.
Another option is to run Nightveil Specter as well to get more cards and a better chance of getting lands. It also works when your opponent has no cards in hand.
Syinide says... #2
I'm not 100% on this, but if you didn't have to pay the mana cost it would say so on the card itself. Kind of like the card Rooftop Storm . It changes zombie's mana cost to 0 instead of whatever it is.
January 17, 2012 6:34 p.m.