Voidchant Sliver
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Posted on May 15, 2019, 7:07 p.m. by Mortlocke
This Sliver is in the same mold as Necrotic Sliver and Harmonic Sliver - a Sliver that was created as something of a "tribute" to classic MTG spells - namely Vindicate and Aura Shards for the previously mentioned. In the case of Voidchant, it's a tribute to Voidmage Prodigy , a favorite creature of mine. Full disclosure, I would have this card in my own personal crown jewel - The Queen's Egg, (it would be slotted in for Winged Sliver )- Thoughts?
Snickles@EDH_only says... #3
I'd argue that 2/1 is more thematically appropriate, as it mirrors the stats of the origin card. 3/2 for 2 in blue is too much though, especially for slivers.
May 15, 2019 8:24 p.m.
Hey shadow63,
"Should be a 1/1" is not a very compelling argument. I would appreciate more input. The main question is why? Why do you think it should be a 1/1?
Snickles@EDH_only, "3/2 for 2 in blue is too much though, especially for slivers." I argue this power and toughness is justified because unlike Voidmage Prodigy , Voidchant doesn't have morph which is definitely not an irrelevant ability. Putting this theoretical Sliver at 2/1 just doesn't seem balanced when compared with Prodigy.
Since Voidchant won't have Morph - what balancing would you give it to make up for the lack of versatility?
May 15, 2019 11:46 p.m. Edited.
You’re forgetting something that is much more dangerous than Morph - the word “Sliver.” Because this creature will be in a deck where every creature is a lord, that’s got to be taken into account. I think that 1/2 seems reasonable based on this being a sliver.
The ability also has some formatting issues, and should read:
Sliver creatures you control have “, Sacrifice this creature: Counter target noncreature spell.”
May 16, 2019 1:46 a.m.
Snickles@EDH_only says... #8
For sizing, the bigger counter point is simply color logic - I know of not a single blue 3/2 for 2 blue mana. the closest comparison is Gilded Drake , which while a 3/3 for 2, is given to your opponent as opposed to kept on your side of the field. searching the gatherer for creatures costing "UU", the majority are 2/2s, with a few 1/2s, 2/1s, and the odd 1/4 or 4/1.
I am forced to agree with cdkime - "sliver" is more than a powerful enough mechanic to begin with. especially since morph is less useful to slivers than any other tribe, as the creatures face down have no creature type. the ability to turn face up is much better for triggered creatures, such as Voidmage Apprentice or Weaver of Lies . Creatues without a "when this card turns face up" typically just have a larger mana cost that can be paid over 2 different turns, and that's it.
random tidbit for you Flooremoji, Stronghold Machinist and Stronghold Biologist are two sides of the same picture.
May 16, 2019 1:54 p.m.
Snickles@EDH_only says... #9
that said, compared to Necrotic Sliver , which is supposed to replicate Vindicate , it would make more sense for the card to read
, sacrifice this creature: counter target spell"
May 16, 2019 1:56 p.m.
Everyone, I appreciate the constructive input. It's been awesome reading all your comments.
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cdkime, I must admit that I made the mistake of constructing this creature in a vacuum - and forgot that when building a new sliver you must always consider every other sliver to have come before it. Starting off as a 3/2 with an extremely powerful ability would be giving this creature and the hive far too many advantages. And yes, the wording is a bit off on the ability, i'll correct that with my "final" revision.
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shadow63, again not the best argument in my opinion. It just sounds like you're giving an opinion. At 1/1 that would definitely make this creature seem more balanced...but for flavor's sake it should be a 2/1.
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Snickles@EDH_only, "For sizing, the bigger counter point is simply color logic" - yep...I definitely constructed this creature in a vacuum. It shouldn't be a 3/2 by any means and yes...there aren't any 3/3 creatures for outside of Gilded Drake , School of Piranha , and Student of Elements . For the sake of theme, I think the Sliver's power and toughness should be 2/1. Mostly for flavor. Also, considering "that said, compared to Necrotic Sliver , which is supposed to replicate Vindicate , it would make more sense for the card to read , sacrifice this creature: counter target spell"" - no way. Such a creature would be beyond busted at anything not mono blue, and at a higher cost. At least for 2/2. But that's not the design I'd want to go for. I'm going to go ahead and post a revision shortly after this post. Everyone, let me know what you all think.
May 16, 2019 6:10 p.m.
Snickles@EDH_only says... #12
Odd question - why non-creature spell? I've been mulling it over all afternoon, and not remembering voidmage prodigy not countering creatures.
not a complaint, just curiosity.
May 16, 2019 7:36 p.m.
Hey Snickles@EDH_only,
Odd question - why non-creature spell? I've been mulling it over all afternoon, and not remembering voidmage prodigy not countering creatures. not a complaint, just curiosity.
Good question. When looking at Aura Shards and Harmonic Sliver there is a sort of "downgrade" in Harmonic's ability which is easy to miss - it doesn't have a "may" clause. This design for Harmonic was likely done on purpose - to keep it from overshadowing Aura Shards . I took that idea into consideration when constructing Voidchant Sliver - giving it just enough flavor and power to make people go "Oh, that's the Voidmage Prodigy sliver", but not make them go "Oh, this is the strictly better Voidmage Prodigy ". Does that make sense?
May 16, 2019 9:18 p.m.
How do you search/filter in the "Costume Cards" forum ... I wanted to check other slivers made and there are so many other cards...
May 25, 2019 10:19 a.m.
Stardragon says... #16
how do you put your customs card on this site I have MSE but i cant bring them over
June 6, 2019 1:16 a.m.
Stardragon says... #17
Also just got done making a sliver deck and wish i could've added this card to it.
June 6, 2019 1:19 a.m.
Tapped out is not as friendly to share more than 1 costume card. And I also do not know how to share MSE
shadow63 says... #2
Should be a 1/1
May 15, 2019 7:41 p.m.