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Student of Elements
Creature — Human Wizard
When Student of Elements has flying, flip it.
Tobita, Master of Winds
Legendary Creature — Human Wizard
Creatures you control have flying.
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|Champions of Kamigawa (CHK)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Student of Elements Discussion
1 year ago
Everyone, I appreciate the constructive input. It's been awesome reading all your comments.
cdkime, I must admit that I made the mistake of constructing this creature in a vacuum - and forgot that when building a new sliver you must always consider every other sliver to have come before it. Starting off as a 3/2 with an extremely powerful ability would be giving this creature and the hive far too many advantages. And yes, the wording is a bit off on the ability, i'll correct that with my "final" revision.
shadow63, again not the best argument in my opinion. It just sounds like you're giving an opinion. At 1/1 that would definitely make this creature seem more balanced...but for flavor's sake it should be a 2/1.
[email protected]_only, "For sizing, the bigger counter point is simply color logic" - yep...I definitely constructed this creature in a vacuum. It shouldn't be a 3/2 by any means and yes...there aren't any 3/3 creatures for outside of Gilded Drake , School of Piranha , and Student of Elements . For the sake of theme, I think the Sliver's power and toughness should be 2/1. Mostly for flavor. Also, considering "that said, compared to Necrotic Sliver , which is supposed to replicate Vindicate , it would make more sense for the card to read , sacrifice this creature: counter target spell"" - no way. Such a creature would be beyond busted at anything not mono blue, and at a higher cost. At least for 2/2. But that's not the design I'd want to go for. I'm going to go ahead and post a revision shortly after this post. Everyone, let me know what you all think.
2 years ago
Right. Mairsil, the Pretender can use Nezumi Graverobber's ability to flip, but that won't mean much. He'll still be able to exile cards from graveyards and still will not be able to reanimate creatures. However, if he somehow becomes a copy of a flip creature like Student of Elements he'll already be the other side, Tobita, Master of Winds, and grant flying, because he flipped before becoming a copy.
2 years ago
The alternative characteristics on a flip card can only apply while the card is on the battlefield and flipped. In your example Mairsil, the Pretender will only have the activated abilities of the "normal" half of the card. Any permanent can gain the "flipped" status if something causes that to happen, but it won't really do anything if the card doesn't have specific alternative characteristics for being flipped.
Similarly, the characteristics on the back face of the double-faced card can only apply while the card is on the battlefield and transformed. In your example Mairsil will only have the activated abilities of the front face of the card. Only double-faced cards can actually transform.
Note that Student of Elements and Mondronen Shaman Flip don't actually have any activated abilities, which are always written out as "(cost) : (effect)". Jushi Apprentice and Wolfbitten Captive are better examples.