[Community Discussion]: Modern Chat
Modern forum
Posted on April 25, 2015, 8:42 p.m. by Epochalyptik
This thread is dedicated entirely to Modern. Feel free to post your thoughts on the meta, ideas for your next decklist, and just chat generally about the format!
Of course, you can always start a new thread if you're interested in discussing one particular aspect of the format; this thread should be used for the quick thoughts and informal questions about the format.
This discussion will be ongoing; you are free to post here as long as you're on topic.
This is NOT a deck help thread. Please do not spam deck help requests.
elpokitolama says... #2
GeminiSpartanX I actually own my list in paper, I'm going to check yours in an hour or so :)
By the way guys, Japan at it again, did you see GP Kobe's results?
May 30, 2017 2:40 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #4
The sad thing is goyf is waaaay strictly better thoctar
May 30, 2017 5:54 p.m.
tlhunter07 says... #5
Hey guys. I'm looking for other sign-ups to continue FAMOUSWATERMELON's User Specialty List. If you're interested, please leave a comment here
Thanks!
May 30, 2017 7:28 p.m.
EverythingIsK says... #6
@AtomicEmpire you're better off starting a new thread for that. The list is pretty obsolete anyways. I'm willing to help if ya need it.
May 30, 2017 7:35 p.m.
tlhunter07 says... #7
I did start a new thread. Link is here. Help would be appreciated.
May 30, 2017 7:36 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #8
SwaggyMcSwagglepants I get that. It's more about the fact that I like the card itself. I always trade flavor points for competetive advantages since I mostly play for fun at local tournaments.
May 31, 2017 3:18 a.m.
What are the odds of a deaths shadow ban? You've literally got six different decks not just using it, but built around it (abzan, sultai, esper, jund, grixis, and 4C), and they're all different. They're the best decks in the meta, none of them have any matchup lower than a 40% win rate, and most are above 50%.
It just seems to me that if wild nactle can get a ban for being too good as a one mana 3/3, then a consistent one mana 6/6 or better is, well, unacceptable.
May 31, 2017 11:17 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #10
I could see it.
After all, Twin was in a similar boat for a while and that got the deck pretty hammered.
(Temur, Izzet, Grixis, etc etc)
May 31, 2017 11:25 p.m.
Pretty low, to be honest. Nacatl's pre-emptive ban came at a time when creature decks were much weaker than they are now. Nacatl doesn't even see the light of day much anymore. Shadow decks are pretty good, but none of them is dominating the format, and that makes a ban pretty unlikely.
May 31, 2017 11:27 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #12
Anyone interested in a few games of modern on mtgo? Pretttty bored and not tired
Got two decks I want to experiment with.
May 31, 2017 11:49 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #13
I don't think either that Shadow will get a ban. If he really takes over Fatal Push and Path will become better but that's about it.
June 1, 2017 3:55 a.m.
mymanpotsandpans says... #14
I would really be disappointed if they banned Death's Shadow. It's always been an interesting card, that I hoped would see the light of competitive play some how. A one drop that can take down Primeval Titans is too hilarious to get banned. The all in Temur Battle Rage variants have all but been replaced by more fair B/x/x mid range builds after the Gitaxian Probe ban anyways. There will always be a "deck to beat" but Death's Shadow can certainly be beaten.
June 1, 2017 12:24 p.m.
The problem with saying that cheap removal can deal with deaths shadow is that almost all deaths shadow lists are using stubborn denial, which is basically a straight up hard counter 90% of the time in that deck.
June 1, 2017 2:23 p.m.
Dredge4life says... #16
Tron seems to have a good matchup with Death's Shadow.
June 1, 2017 2:25 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #17
I hope Deaths Shadow gets banned personally. The card breaks one of the fundamental rules of Magic by making what is traditionally a downside into an upside, and a format that's ruled by lands that can punish you by reducing your life total and absurd cards like thoughtseize giving unconditional hand attack
June 1, 2017 3:06 p.m.
I think Trons matchup with deaths shadow is about 50/50 but it depends who gets the play first. The decks also running that U: counter colorless spell as a 2-3 of in the board specifically for tron and eldrazi
June 1, 2017 3:08 p.m.
elpokitolama says... #19
I don't think Shadow is worth banning. The strategy is ultra weak to red spells, which are still underepresented in the format... Counterburn actually top 8'd a GP, and it has a flabbergasting match-up against it.
June 1, 2017 3:16 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #20
I think that the major strike against it is the color saturation.
In much the same way twin was banned I could see DS being banned for being TOO present in decks.
Running esper? Add DS, How about Grixis? DS, What about Jund? DS that too.
June 1, 2017 4:02 p.m.
I believe we should hit emerkul, lightning bolt, collected company, ooze, and maybe tooth and nail. those are really the most broken cards in magic
June 1, 2017 4:21 p.m.
Any thoughts on BUG Delver? I've seen some recent lists posted by mtggoldfish and another on wethenerdy, and I think there is a lot of potential there. What are community thoughts?
June 1, 2017 8:05 p.m.
We're not in Legacy, so I'm not seeing the potential that you're talking about in Delver. Elaborate.
June 1, 2017 9:21 p.m.
EpicFreddi says... #24
Play Leovold regardles of the Format. He isn't THAT crazy in Modern, amirite?
I think with Bonepicker BUG Delver could be a thing.
June 2, 2017 3:19 a.m.
Obviously BUG hold a lot of powerful spells, especially in the form of removal in BG, so with a build of the obvious delver, probably goyf, and some other flex spots in creatures (bob, snap, tasigur/ angler, other) and plenty of spot removal/added counters, could it be a contender in the current field. Obviously a list would need tinkering, but mainboard Golgari Charm gets rid of the problem of Lingering Souls blockers (which I see as a main holdback for the deck). Like you said rothgar13, this isn't legacy but modern still has many avenues to be explored since there is a lot of movement in the deck field. Im not saying this could be a tier one with Zooicide, affinity, etc but it could maybe hit tier 1.5 with the proper build. Thoughts?
June 2, 2017 12:09 p.m.
I guess what I'm trying to say is what does Delver do that Shadow doesn't do better? It just seems like a worse version of an existing deck, which is the one that Ryan Hovis took to the Top 8 of the SCG Open last weekend.
June 2, 2017 2:01 p.m.
I agree. Why make a sub optimal deck trying to flip a delver when you can just draw cards for free and play a one mana 7/7
June 2, 2017 2:05 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #28
The reason Grixis Delver is still a good deck is because the quality of interaction is very high. Fatal Push their DS when they're down to 8, then punch in damage with delvers and bolts. If sultai had bolt, it would probably be better. But it sacrifices bolt for goyf, and right now, DS is just better than goyf.
June 2, 2017 2:42 p.m.
Good points, I wasn't trying to say its better than shadow, just looking for some ideas that could maybe make it competitive in the field or at least something that wont fall flat on its face to the meta
June 2, 2017 3:17 p.m.
Ohthenoises says... #30
Well, this was an Idea I was toying around with, it's probably better with DS but meh.
June 2, 2017 3:23 p.m.
tlhunter07 says... #31
Can anyone give me a UR Storm list I can test against?
June 2, 2017 4:56 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #32
Look at mtggoldfish's modern meta and copy and paste?
June 2, 2017 5:25 p.m.
haha I'm honestly coming up with my own brews to fight netdecking
June 3, 2017 12:40 a.m.
grumbledore says... #34
i've been running a death's shadow brew with pretty good success at my lgs on modern nights. honestly it's pretty damn funny and people a lot of times don't know what the hell they're playing against. great times. clicken
June 3, 2017 12:54 a.m.
Hey guys! I quit for almost a year, sold all my expensive cards (luckily) before they were reprinted in MM17. Anyway I'm looking to get back into modern and I chose to go with UW control for a couple reasons.
I'm looking through a lot of lists and I like the fact that it seems to work with many different "personal" options instead of having more of a solved list. Also it's not insanely expensive, since I'm going with no ancestral visions and only 2 snapcasters for now. The latest list on MTGtop8 with Ojutai looks kind of interesting, and I even have a Minamo, but I'm not sure how viable that really is.
Anyway just curious what people think of the deck and if you have any advice or feedback since I'm still picking up some of the cards to make the deck. Thanks!
Here is what I threw together so far Slowgod Cheap(ish) UW Control
If I still had all my fetches and goyfs I would love to play that fringe "Counter Cat" or "Monkey Grow" deck, but not shelling out 2k again for that!
June 5, 2017 12:09 p.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #37
I think U/W is a fun secondary deck. I personally am not a fan of the Titan builds but they seem to be the strongest. I personally prefer the straight control build.
June 5, 2017 1:01 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #38
How does gifts storm do against deaths shadow? The matchup looks awful for storm because of all the discard and a fast clock from deaths shadow, but I also don't know storm super well. Anyone have any insight to offer?
June 6, 2017 10:55 a.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #39
I've recently taken up storm, and while I'm not an expert on the deck yet, I actually think storm is favored against most shadow decks in game 1. If you can live until turn 4-5 with storm, you often can find enough cards to get 8-10 damage off with a Grapeshot since they do half of the work for you. If they bring in tons of grave-hate in games 2-3, depending on what type of hate it gets pretty rough. However, a single discard spell and removal for storm's creatures is not the end of the world in my limited experience. elpokitolama might offer more/better insight than me though.
June 6, 2017 11:14 a.m.
GlistenerAgent says... #40
Storm is a pretty easy matchup for Shadow, all of your cards interact with them and they can't always Empty quickly to buy time in game 1. Postboard, literally every card in your deck blows them out of the water. The biggest concern is Leyline, Blood Moon and being too aggressive with your life total.
June 6, 2017 12:38 p.m.
elpokitolama says... #43
@GlistenerAgent sorry for the late answer, but I do not agree with that statement as mancers effects are not that needed to beat them. The deck itself is fairly resilient to hand disruption, and some weirdos like me even play bolt mainboard to either kill your opponent's stuff before it gets too big or punish them if they were being too aggressive with their life total. I wouldn't say that Storm is favored (which would be a blatant lie), but the match-up isn't that easy for Shadow to deal with, especially with the variety of lists there is. I would qualify it a 55/45 (maybe a bit better, but not that much) for the Shadow player.
June 10, 2017 8:13 p.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #44
So my local shop is holding a modern PPTQ next month, and I need to decide on a deck to use. I'm only 4 Death's Shadows away from owning Grixis Shadow, but I feel that I might not be able to get in enough reps once I get those cards to be proficient with that deck by the time the tournament starts. My other options include: Infect, UR Storm, Burn, GR Ponza, BW Tokens, Abzan Company (old version), Bogles, or if I just want to have fun, Cheerios or UB Mill. It's a lot of decks to choose from, but let me know which you think would be the best in an unknown meta. I'd like to have a good matchup vs death's shadow, affinity, and burn if possible with plenty of GY hate in the board for Living End, Storm and Dredge. Which would you pick? I've also started a thread here if you'd like to discuss this more.
June 20, 2017 6:44 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #45
Of that list, I would go with Storm.
In other news Harsh Mentor didnt seem to make the splash every one thought it would.
June 20, 2017 11:55 a.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #46
If you're into gambling a bit, I'm certain people will have much less SB hate for infect than before. On the other hand, there are a lot more Fatal Pushes. Seems good if you're not expecting shadow. If you are expecting shadow, Id play burn
June 20, 2017 1:21 p.m.
GeminiSpartanX says... #47
I'm keeping a running tally of the votes I'm getting on this thread here if you're interested in following/seeing what other players have to say.
June 20, 2017 2:32 p.m.
I know this isn't the trade thread but if anyone's interesting I'm looking to liquidate some modern cards I'm not using, primarily three ancestral visions (forget which set) so that I can pickup some Fulm Mages or Noble Hierarchs. Willing to trade em at like $40, or sell them for $35. I have three, and I think they're LP though thy might be NM, I'll check later tonight. I'm gonna make a post with a few others cards I'm looking to get rid of if I remember, but if you're interested in Visions leave me a post on my wall.
June 21, 2017 2:24 p.m.
JexInfinite says... #50
Death's Shadow is just another Infect deck. It's fine. Tron is the problem because it keeps midrange out of the meta decently well. Jeskai is quite good at the moment. It's playable against everything including Eldrazi, though that matchup is difficult.
Death's Shadow is a fair card. Urza lands should be axed if anything, but the meta is mostly fine.
EpicFreddi says... #1
I'll try the new Devoted Company. Not sure tho if I want to play Naya, Abzan or even 4color. I like the idea of having more options. Also I want to play Woolly Thoctar, it's my favorite card.
May 30, 2017 9:12 a.m.