Mono-Black Wishboard?
Commander Deck Help forum
Posted on Nov. 15, 2018, 11:47 p.m. by Metroid_Hybrid
I am strongly considering slotting a Mastermind's Acquisition into a pair of Mono-Black decks that I have..
I’ve already asked the owner of the LGS that I generally play at about the card, and he told me that a 15-card Sideboard would be perfectly acceptable..
So, that being said, my question here is this: What are the 15 best, situationally powerful (but otherwise useless), Artifact and/or Mono-Black cards for a Mono-Black Sideboard/“Wishboard”?
Examples: Virulent Plague vs a table full of tokens, Extirpate vs Shadowborn Apostle/Relentless Rats, Tainted Remedy vs Lifegain decks, a Pithing Needle for shutting off a particular Wincon, or maybe even Artificer's Hex vs most Voltron builds, etc..
Without knowing your meta, it's really hard to answer that. Your Extirpate example is indeed good against rats or shadowborns, but since it's useless against any other deck it probably isn't worth a spot in your wishboard unless one or more players in your meta actually runs one of those decks. Since I don't know your meta, I'd focus more on color hating abilities, for example Deathgrip is good against any green deck
November 16, 2018 12:19 a.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #4
Yes, cards like Deathgrip, exactly.. Thief of Blood is a good one too..
It’s kind of hard to pin down an exact “meta” due to almost everyone having several different decks that they cycle through from game-to-game.. The best I can do that MLD is frowned upon, and there is virtually always at least one Blue player running some number of Counterspells... oh, and there’s generally a LOT of BSing & general psychological warfare (if that helps)..
But aside from that specific shop/meta, I just want to have a general Hate-board of sorts to help cover any loose-ends that would be generally worthless in the normal 99..
November 16, 2018 2:16 a.m. Edited.
Outside of that specific shop/meta, a wish board is impossible to build. Edh rules say that cards that reference cards "outside the game" don't function unless the playgroup agrees in advance upon their scope. The ship owner said that a 15 card wishboard is fine, so that's the agreed upon scope their, but the moment you leave that shop/meta, your wishboard does nothing until whatever new shop/meta you're playing with agrees to allow it
November 16, 2018 2:57 a.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #6
alias42: At this point you’re adding literally nothing of value to the discussion..
What you’re suggesting is that Sideboards are impossible to build without a specific meta, and therefore the logical continuation of such would be that preparing Sideboards in general (in other formats, for example) is impossible as well; which is obviously false..
Secondly, by mentioning that I asked a particular shop owner about the subject implies that I am already well aware of the quasi-ruling on “outside the game” tutors.. That ruling boils down to: “Ask the Head Judge”..
I came here for ideas and Contructive criticism, not for someone to come along & shit on an fun idea within a generally casual format..
November 16, 2018 1:20 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid you say I'm not adding anything of value and/or "shitting on your fun idea". That's not my intent. My intent IS to provide "constructive criticism" of your attempt to build a universal wishboard in edh. Because that's impossible. Truly. You have the approval of one playgroup to make a 15 card wishboard. You want to make a wish board to use outside that playgroup. What if the next playgroup says "10 card wishboard"? Or "15 card wishboard is ok, but it has to support your own deck instead of hating out someone elses"? Comparing it to a format like modern doesn't work, because the rules of modern create a format wide rule for what is and is not a legal sideboard. You can use any 15 format legal cards, universally. Edh has no such rule.
November 16, 2018 2:19 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #8
You’re basically just repeated yourself and then followed it up with total nonsense.. Sideboards are a pretty standard thing dude..
The point of this thread is to get some input from other players about what a Mono-Black Wishboard would look like, and to expose myself to new cards in the process, not to hear why YOU don’t like it & why I shouldn’t do it.. That’s not “contructive”.. The root word of contructive is CONSTRUCT, as in: to build.. So what are you doing to help BUILD this idea? Because it looks to me like you’re only doing the opposite..
November 16, 2018 4:15 p.m.
What style of deck are your decks currently weakest too? That is where I would start. If your not sure on what specifically you are weakest to then I would Think on what colors or play styles you see the most and target those. The Command Zone just did a series on stats and in order Black, Green, Blue, Red, White were in the decks that won the most so maybe you can use that as a targeted priority list. like Liliana's Defeat may not be all that bad.
I agree cards like Deathgrip are the ideal cards to put in.
November 16, 2018 4:18 p.m.
On the "Constructed Criticism" note, it could simply be that he is pointing out that it may not be worth the effort to do this overall and to maybe not waste your time. If that is the case sure you don't have to agree with his point but I would say it is an attempt to help with at the vary least to not waste your time.
I however see it as even if most games you don't have the right card to go grab from outside the game at least it's a Demonic Tutor for +2 mana and that's not that bad.
This all being said even if you don't agree with what he says you don't need to jump all over him and be rude yourself when alias42 wasn't rude to start or in response to your response to him.
November 16, 2018 4:26 p.m.
First, I have never said I do not like the idea. I do, in fact, like wish cards because of their ability to find situational cards. Quite frankly, what I dislike is the rules committee's lack of a stance on what a wish can or can not target. I get that edh is a social format which is why they want to leave it up to the playgroup, but it leads to exactly this issue. Sideboards are standard in any format EXCEPT edh, so saying they are a "fairly standard thing" is not an accurate statement in this context. I "basically repeated myself" because all you did was to attack my initial statement, without reason claiming that it was "unhelpful" for nothing other than that it was not what you wanted to hear. That "nonsense" is every reason why my statement is valid and your attempt to build a universal wishboard in a format that does not have a universal rule for what a wish can or can not target is not going to work.
The dictionary defines constructive as serving a useful purpose; tending to build up. While my argument does not build upon the list of cards you're looking for, I does serve the useful purpose of explaining why trying to build a universal wishboard is not something the rules of edh allow one to do. Build it to the context of what your meta allows, and know that the moment you go to any other meta it is, in fact, a useless stack of cards until you get their approval to run it. Which is all I've been saying, from the start.
November 16, 2018 4:36 p.m.
Metroid_Hybrid says... #12
Pervavita: Do you remember the number of that particular episode of The Command Zone? Also both of the decks I’ll be using this with have very different strategies (Voltron & Demon Reanimator), that’s why I’m looking for specific “Silver Bullets” like I described earlier..
Maybe this is just me, but when I go into a deck help forum, if I don’t have anything to add to the subject, then I don’t leave a comment.. Or if I DO leave a comment, and the OP tells me that it would contradict something that they were trying to do (or whatever), I don’t double-down and repeatedly tell them what they are trying to do is “impossible” (especially when it clearly isn’t).. Therefore, the distinction of who is & isn’t being rude in this situation is a simple matter of perspective..
Why not just rattle off a list of cards that fit the bill and be done with it? Humor me..
November 16, 2018 5:08 p.m. Edited.
Sorry wish I remembered the numbers. maybe 239 and 240? I know that they were in the last 5.
Errast says... #2
Depends on what you're looking to hate on with the sideboard, some good general recommendations however might be cards like Thief of Blood, Sadistic Sacrament, Torpor Orb, or Leyline of the Void as cards that can hate on common archetypes.
If we knew what the meta you were up against consisted of, I'm sure there are people much more knowledgeable than myself who could help you.
November 16, 2018 12:10 a.m.