Orzhov's the Name, Lifegain's the game
Standard*
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flattening out the curve —July 26, 2013
I know a lot of people have been saying how high my 5 drops were and honestly this deck works well with them but i have decided to sideboard two of my blood baron of vizkopas (they are still far too good against boros or rakdos matchups not to keep a full playset together if i wanted it) and as its dropped in price i've finally got the two Rhox Faithmenders that i've been wanting to run all along... with the deck being all about life gain and drain you can't run it without the big daddy... haha! Hope you all approve!
cptjmaverick says... #2
Vizkopa Guildmage has been in and out of this deck a hell of a lot as its adapted and changed, i'm actually thinking of putting it into the side board for the moment for when people sideboard in some enchantment destruction to get rid of Sanguine Bond and then all of a sudden they have wasted cards and i have the guildmage doing the same thing for me... he does have massive potential... but i need to play test with him and see how he does! I think if i have both Vizkopa Guildmage and Sanguine Bond in my main deck i have too many cards trying to do the same thing.
Thanks for the feedback Samurai1, glad you enjoyed looking at the deck and i'll be sure to go have a look at yours
July 22, 2013 2:30 a.m.
I agree maybe u can put 2 Vizkopa Guildmage in the side board because if you do have problems with Sanguine Blood you can use the guildmage. If you wanted to make the deck legal you could even use the guild Mage as a replacement for Sanguine Blood since its a 2010 card. Let me know what you think of my orzhov because I have been running into some problems beating a few aggro decks like rakdos, Boros and gruul.
July 22, 2013 9:25 a.m.
cptjmaverick says... #4
The deck is actually legal, its just tapped out hasn't updated for the m14 release yet for some reason.
As for your deck i have had a look and commented, i can see why you would struggle against aggro, especially if its well refined and fast from turn one.. if you want some more advice just let me know... i dont like to tell people what to do if you have a certain way you want to run it then thats what i want you to keep... this deck is actually the bane of aggros because of a few cards... anyway as i said if you want more help just ask, i've spent a long time on orzhov and have madw mistakes and fixed them along the way
July 22, 2013 9:38 a.m.
Then your deck is almost prefect orzhov. I always appreciate the help because I've only been running orzhov for a little less than a year so I'm just keeping the deck basi because I haven't had alot of experimenting time with it and I'm not 100% what cards work against aggro and what doesn't.
July 22, 2013 9:43 a.m.
cptjmaverick says... #6
Btw Samurai1 you've somehow blocked me so i can't see or comment on your decks anymore :s
July 22, 2013 2:48 p.m.
It should work now. I clicked on your name to see what other decks you had put up and it blocked you by accident sorry about that btw nice decks you must be a pretty good deck builder.
July 22, 2013 2:50 p.m.
cptjmaverick says... #8
Haha thanks, tbh i'm not that great but i have built up experience playing against some very good players and talking with some good people on this site, myself and DjinnjerVitis have been bouncing ideas about this deck around for the past few months...
July 22, 2013 2:59 p.m.
I could always use the help on my decks because I'm a beginner at this I try to stick to the basic theme of what the deck or guild is suppose to be. Sometimes it works and a lot of times is doesn't.
July 22, 2013 3:05 p.m.
DjinnjerVitis says... #10
i like your Ratchet Bomb implementation. if you haven't considered it already, keep in mind that immediately saccing it with 0 counters burns all tokens. XD. ill probably replace my Killing Wave with those when rotation hits, depending on whats in theros.
July 22, 2013 3:55 p.m.
cptjmaverick says... #11
i had not even thought of that... i was like its a shame i don't have mass token removal now... and well turns out i do... result :) thanks :p
July 22, 2013 4:43 p.m.
Is this an aggro deck because I was thinking about making an aggro orzhov deck possibly with the extort mechanic. It seems like aggro orzhov is good so is like to try it out. How would I go about changing my Orzhov control to into an aggro. Let me know if this is a good idea.
July 22, 2013 8:52 p.m.
This deck could be quite good. I wonder if Child of Night would not be better than High Priest of Penance ?
July 23, 2013 2:34 a.m.
cptjmaverick says... #14
For the fact its got lifelink yeah Child of Night is a decent card but high priest pf penance is one of my main cards to slow down aggro and act as removal of annoying enchantments, artifacts... it's far too good a card not to run if i'm honest... i have Tithe Drinker to fill my early lifelink role as well which with the extort is slightly better than Child of Night . Thanks for the siggestion though :)
@Samurai1... No this wouldnt be considered an aggro deck, its got a strong offence but more often than not i will sot back and just control the field... if you want to build an orzhov aggro it is possible to do using lots of tokens such as Lingering Souls and Gather the Townsfolk ... then you back them up with Blood Artist , Maw of the Obzedat and Cartel Aristocrat
July 23, 2013 2:51 a.m.
If I were to make an orzhov aggro deck it would consist of a lot of token cards to help power up the other abilities?
July 23, 2013 3:35 a.m.
cptjmaverick says... #16
Thats the usual idea, ozhov isnt ever going to be as strong an aggro deck as boros or rakdos if you stick with the orzhov cards there are tbh
July 23, 2013 3:55 a.m.
CSchademann says... #17
Path of Bravery + Sanguine Bond + creatures with lifelink = aggro Orzhov
July 23, 2013 4:09 a.m.
DjinnjerVitis says... #18
still requires a fair amount of set up, the right cards and still isnt fast enough to be considered aggro. though orzhov midrange would benefit greatly from that, but i feel you should go morglen to really harness the potential in that field.
July 23, 2013 5:48 a.m.
cptjmaverick says... #19
Yeah unfortunately i'm inclined to agree with DjinnjerVitis you wont get that combo rolling until turn 5 if your lucky... you would still need some aspect of control... tbh orzhov just isnt really built for the early game, you control then you dominate..
But thats a solid combo Wargoat47 has got there... it will never be up to the pace of boros or rakdos though so you can work from there if you wanted a starting off point but bear in mind until turn 5 you will be on the back foot with an orzhov aggro... their mechanics are all about control
July 23, 2013 6:02 a.m.
I might as well stick to the traditional orzhov control and just find ways to speed it up a little bit. Putting in the playset of Crypt Ghast and the Debt to the Deathless will definately help alot.
Orzhov control This is my orzhov deck now and cptjmaverick gave me some excellent tips and combos so if you have anymore you wanna add you can. I'm always open to criticism on my decks :)
cptjmaverick I'm gonna look at all suggestions you gave me and definately make some changes. I really like all the combos that you gave me. The Sanguine Bond ability, does it stack if I have 2 on the field. If I have both on the field and I gain life will my opponent lose double that life?
July 23, 2013 10:38 a.m.
Yes 2 Sanguine Bond stack, though they trigger separately, so there will be two instance of the same effect on the stack, so you extort for 3, they will lose 3 from extort, 3 from Sanguine Bond and then another 3 from the other Sanguine Bond ,
just thought i'd mention, as effects that say 'when opponent loses life' and such would trigger 3 times in an extort instance :P
July 23, 2013 10:45 a.m.
Thanks. I'm still fairly new to magic so I have a lot of learning to do.
July 23, 2013 10:52 a.m.
cptjmaverick says... #23
Thats why we are all here, to help and to pass on advice and ideas... by the way don't be tempted to run more than two of the Sanguine Bond otherwise you may clog your hand with cards that dont always help you... anyway make he changes on your deck Samurai1 and then i will take a look at it when i get home and see what more i can do to help you
July 23, 2013 11:18 a.m.
cptjmaverick says... #25
Thats good to hear DataSync, if you're running your life gain deck i'd be interested to see how it goes :p
Samurai1 says... #1
I really enjoyed looking at the deck and I think it is very well built. Might I suggest running a few Vizkopa Guildmage . The effects from the guild Mage could really help your life linking and speeding things up. I made an Orzhov control deck and maybe some cards from there might help your deck. It's a slow a grindy deck but there are some aggressive cards in there.
July 22, 2013 1:19 a.m.