Momir Vig, Simic Combonary

Commander / EDH* GoldenCapitalist

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Nov. 1, 2016

Removed: Meekstone

Added: Thrasios, Triton Hero

Notes: One of the recurring issues in the deck without Prophet is that sequencing the order in which I play my primary wincon setup cards can be difficult. After playing Momir Vig, between Seedborn, Teferi, and Azami, which do I want to play first? Teferi gives me some protection, but doesn't really do anything by himself. Azami and Vig each let me draw one card between this turn and next, but is that enough value? And Seedborn sets up for me to draw my next card with a Vig green trigger, but on its own, it really doesn't do much.

Enter Thrasios, Triton Hero. Like Duskwatch Recruiter, Thrasios lets me sink unused mana in a productive way. Except this guy can also ramp me and help me get ahead on future turns. His activation cost is steep, but he's really there to be a cheap Vig activation, an infinite mana sink, or something to curve into Seedborn With.

I cut Meekstone because it didn't quite seem to do all that much in recent games. That isn't to say it isn't a useful card; it has stopped me and my opponents dead in our tracks when others play the card. But I tend to combo out quickly enough that a few creatures attacking me doesn't make a large difference. It's a plenty good card, and if I feel I'm being pressured again, I'll put it back in, but for now I don't think I need it.

Octrate says... #1

Hey there, fellow Momo player! Your list is really inspiring; I never thought of using Duskwatch Recruiter  Flip and Kira, Great Glass-Spinner. I had a few questions about some of your card choices, wondering how they're working for you.

Firstly, how has Nissa, Vital Force been treating you? Do you favor her more for her ult or for her recursion? Do you recommend her?

Timetwister is a card I've yet to obtain, do you think Time Spiral would be an appropriate substitute? Is a twister effect necessary?

And lastly, what are your thoughts on Beast Within, Noxious Revival, and Mystical Tutor/Worldly Tutor?

Thanks for your time and insight. I really like your list, it's really intuitive.

October 19, 2016 6:27 p.m.

Octrate Thank you for your comment! I really appreciate your interest in the deck :D

To answer your questions in order:

Nissa, Vital Force has been played in one game so far (not counting fishbowling my deck). In that one performance I was pretty satisfied with her and she quickly ran away with the game after ulting. It helped that I had a Crucible and a fetchland, but even so, running a full suite of fetches means I could draw +2 cards per turn, not even using an Oracle or Azusa. I like that I can -3 her late game to cast a Nature's Spiral when I need to, and she can even provide situational, somewhat risky ramp (I ended up animating a Gaea's Cradle to tap for more mana to do things the turn I cast her). All in all she's pretty versatile, and so far I'm pleased with her. But if there's a "must have" card printed, she would be one of the first cards to go I think.

Timetwister and Time Spiral were cards that I was skeptical about in the past, but looking back I'm very glad I got a Twister for the deck. They are very versatile cards, and work in numerous situations:

  1. You've got a bad hand/opponents have good hands
  2. You overextended/out of resources and need to refill
  3. Your graveyard is full of your answers and you need them back in the deck
  4. You want to turn off your reanimator opponent

Failing a Twister, I would still test with Time Spiral. Pros, it untaps your lands so it's "free." Cons, it exiles itself and costs an initial 6 mana. So it's more situational. I'd give it a shot if I were you.

And for your final suggestions:

  1. Beast Within is a decent card that I've considered running in the past. A lot of people point to it as Green's go-to unconditional removal, and I've been told in the past that it's not a good idea to skip running it. Personally, I think it would replace Krosan Grip if I put it in, but there are so many situations where Split Second is so crucial to have, that I prefer that card over Beast Within. So it's a good card and you wouldn't be wrong to run it, but I don't see much utility for it in my particular deck. I do however run it in my other Green decks.

  2. I prefer creatures in my deck to non-creatures, since I can tutor for them in multiple ways. To that end I run E-wit over other similar effects. Noxious Revival I think serves the niche situation where you want to flip an opponent's card in the yard into their library as they start shuffling it. In Vig, Revival is not as good as Regrowth because your deck shuffles itself constantly; whether from fetchlands or creatures, you're shuffling more than you're playing basically. It's a decent card, but I wouldn't recommend it in a Momir Vig deck.

  3. Mystical/Worldly Tutor: Mystical Tutor I don't run because there are only very narrow situations where I want to tutor for counterspells. And if I'm tutoring for a counter, people will know I'm gonna start to try and win the game soon. Mystical Tutor I find works best when your win-con is an instant or sorcery. In this deck it's creatures. Worldly Tutor I group in the same category as Green Sun's Zenith: Good, but not good enough. The creature tutors I run in this deck are either my commander, or put the creatures onto the field. You can find a longer explanation for why I don't run GSZ in another comment on this page. Chord of Calling/Birthing Pod/Eldritch Evolution all have significant competitive advantages to them. And again, the issue of "constant shuffling" makes Worldly Tutor less usful.

I hope my comments helped, please let me know if you have any other questions! Thanks again for liking my deck! :D

October 24, 2016 12:16 p.m.