the best control in standard
Standard forum
Posted on May 15, 2014, 6:03 p.m. by patrickloyd
so i know there are many types of control out there but which one , so to speak, is the best for right now???
CrazyLittleGuy says... #4
Are you asking a question, or did you just want to say that mono-black is the best control deck currently. Mono-black isn't even control, it's a Midrange deck at best.
May 15, 2014 6:24 p.m.
Mono Black isn't control. It's more of a midrange deck.
Control is a deck that keeps the board clear until it lands a win con. The best of these decks, like Matsi883 said, are W/U or Esper at the moment.
May 15, 2014 6:26 p.m.
Blizzicane says... #7
Mono Black (I assume your talking about the devotion version not the aggro version) while it has controlling elements it is not a control deck but more of a midrange deck. :3
May 15, 2014 6:27 p.m.
Servo_Token says... #11
Just in case you didn't pick up on that, Mono black devotion isn't control.
Also, land lock is gawful right now.
May 15, 2014 6:48 p.m.
I don't understand how no one things the deck commonly abbreviated by pros as MBC for mono black control is not a control deck. But for your question it's tough to say right now, looking like it's leaning slightly towards mono black of UWx because of the green splash that's been added recently.
May 15, 2014 7:02 p.m.
The Doctor says... #13
Mono-Black devotion is labeled as MBD, not MBC. Mono-Black Control isn't a deck. At least not a good one.
In the current Standard, Esper (Blue, White, Black) control is the reigning champion.
May 15, 2014 7:07 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #14
@patrickloyd: Please post in the proper forums. General is not a dumping ground.
May 15, 2014 10:06 p.m.
UW may have one or two marginally better matchups than Esper, but UW versus Esper is a joke.
Esper is the strongest control deck in Standar right now.
May 16, 2014 12:04 a.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #16
It's pretty close between UW and Esper. UW is more consistent and can run more Mutavault , but Esper has more answers and some great sideboard options. At the end of the day, Esper probably takes the cake in terms of the optimal build, tho I will say that I see many players who are too enthralled with the wide variety of good options of Esper and make the deck worse by having too many win cons in lieu of answers and/or card advantage, like mainboard Blood Baron of Vizkopa and Obzedat, Ghost Council . AEtherling and Elspeth, Sun's Champion are all you really need.
Also, no deck that runs 16 creatures on the mainboard and limited card advantage, like MBD, would be considered a control deck.
May 16, 2014 5:45 a.m.
If you're going up against another control deck, my grixis can easily beat any u/w variant I've seen.....not that grixis is necessarily better, but its a much stronger competitor than people think and like I said it rules in the control mirror.
May 16, 2014 9:26 a.m.
Grixis is marginally better in any given control matchup, but it's just inferior to Esper/Azorous against anything else.
May 16, 2014 9:33 a.m.
Honestly aside from board wipe I don't see what is so great about u/w variants. Sphinx's Revelation is overrated I think. Where they draw cards we get rid of opponents cards..... It's still card advantage. Rakdos's Return scales too.... Cheaper actually.
May 16, 2014 9:42 a.m.
Sphinx's Revelation =/= Rakdos's Return . Your cards are always worth more than your opponents'. Return is obviously good, but there's a reason there's such a huge price difference.
Life-gain, D-Sphere, Banishing Light , Elspeth, Sun's Champion , Blood Baron of Vizkopa , Obzedat, Ghost Council , being able to interact with enchantments, etc.
The only things Grixis really has that makes it better than Esper against Esper are Rakdos's Return , Counterflux , and Slaughter Games (and Dreadbore , though D-Sphere does that job better).
May 16, 2014 9:55 a.m.
ChrisHansonBiomancin says... #21
Having a reliable and cheap wrath effect is vital to a control strategy, so Grixis' lack of one is a huge setback and probably the main reason it is not seen in the same light as UWx.
As far as Rakdos's Return and Sphinx's Revelation are concerned, they are both fantastic cards, but Sphinx definitely gets the nod in control since it's instant speed, gains life to stabilize, and helps to seek out your limited win cons. Also, drawing cards is always relevant, whereas making an opponent discard is only relevant if they have cards in hand. I wouldn't attribute price, however, since that's simply a factor of supply and demand; hence the ticket for former junk-rare Nightveil Specter .
xq948 says... #2
W/U or Esper is the most commonly used.
Also, please post in the proper forum. Epochalyptik will move this.
May 15, 2014 6:04 p.m.