does Clone target?
Asked by OrzhovExtort 11 years ago
Clone says when it enters the battlefield it becomes a copy of any creature. Does this mean I may target a creature my opponent controls with hexproof???
Clone does not target. So you may have it enter as a copy of any creature. Hexproof, shroud, even, protection doesn't matter.
April 10, 2014 10:06 p.m.
Rule of thumb:
Does it use the word "target" (including, possibly, in the implied reminder text of the keywords Enchant and Equip)? If not, it doesn't target.
Clones don't target. In fact, replacement effects can't target.
April 10, 2014 10:13 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #4
Yeah, that Clone example, stuff like Supreme Verdict , where it says "all" and stuff like enchant creature e.g. Gift of Immortality don't say target. If it doesn't say target, it doesn't target. same goes w/ proctection, like Soldier of the Pantheon still dies from Supreme Verdict even though it has protection, which is can't be dealt damage, blocked, targeted, or enchanted by.
April 11, 2014 7:14 p.m.
@SwaggyMcSwagglepants: Note that Gift of Immortality does target while it is being cast and while the Aura is on the stack. As I'd mentioned, the Enchant and Equip keywords both imply targeting (for Auras when they're cast or on the stack, for Equipment when their Equip ability is activated or on the stack). Neither Gift's triggered ability nor the delayed trigger it creates target, however.
April 11, 2014 7:47 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #6
Drilnoth, that's not necessarily true. It would if Gift of Immortality says "enchant target creature" That's why Brave the Elements has on its reminder text "They can't be targeted, dealt damage, blocked, or enchanted by that color," implying that Wizards meant for enchantments not to target
April 13, 2014 7:46 p.m.
@SwaggyMcSwagglepants. Ahem:
303.4a An Aura spell requires a target, which is defined by its enchant ability.
Take a look at a Tenth edition printing of an Aura like Arcane Teachings . The reminder text (used since Auras and the Enchant keyword were new to the game) indicates that they target while being cast.
It is possible to put Auras onto things without targeting that thing. Auras target while they are being cast and while on the stack, but not when they are simply "put onto the battlefield," such as with the abiltiy of Zur the Enchanter .
April 13, 2014 8:12 p.m.
Also:
114.1b Aura spells are always targeted. These are the only permanent spells with targets. An Auras target is specified by its enchant keyword ability (see rule 702.5, "Enchant"). The target(s) are chosen as the spell is cast; see rule 601.2c. An Aura permanent doesn't target anything; only the spell is targeted. (An activated or triggered ability of an Aura permanent can also be targeted.)
This is basic stuff.
April 13, 2014 8:18 p.m.
SwaggyMcSwagglepants says... #9
Yo Drilnoth, there has been changes to the rules since Tenth Edition.
And when did you get these rules? Are these recent? If so, I'll concede my point.
And although you may say "this is basic stuff", if you look at my deck Orzhov Humans, Ghosts and... a Kitty King? it shows I don't necessarily play with auras, maybe with a bestow creature or two. And those are pretty miniscule rules you brought up.
April 13, 2014 8:43 p.m.
Those comp. rules excerpts are from the current rules last updated for Born of the Gods. There have been changes since 10E, yes, but you'll see even in the Oracle (up-to-date and current) rules text of the card I linked that the reminder text remains unchanged apart from the M10 terminology updates ("play" becomes "cast or "battlefield" as appropriate).
And as an EDH player, they're pretty important rules to know when creatures with hexproof, shroud, and protection are all running around, generals like Bruna, Light of Alabaster , Uril, the Miststalker , and Zur the Enchanter are common, and effects like Warp World and Genesis Wave let you get around shroud when putting Auras on things even if you otherwise couldn't target them.
April 13, 2014 8:53 p.m.
Named_Tawyny says... #11
@SwaggyMcSwagglepants, just to reinforce what Drilnoth was saying : the reason that Brave the Elements and other protection spells specifically mention enchantments in addition to targetting is so that players know that it doesn't only protect when the aura is cast (and thus targetting) but also if the aura is already on (and thus enchanting).
Protection will make it impossible to target a creature with an aura of the protected colour, and also make those auras fall off if they're already on when the creature gets protection.
swkelly89 says... #1
yes you can, clone doesnt say target creature, just any creature.
April 10, 2014 9:51 p.m.