2 questions (seeing as they both involve twincast) do these combos work ?
Asked by Barrelbomb 11 years ago
I use Enter the infinite on myself , then Twincast it, does said copy work on other players or does it effect me again?
I am looking to mill through a target players deck in a 4 way match, if i use Psychic spiral on myself and Twincast it, can the copy be used on another player and if so then i choose who discards the cards? or is it up to that other player?
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Enter the Infinite , Twincast :
As Enter the Infinite doesn't target, you can't chose any player, it'll make it's affect apply to you. Twincast creates a copy of Enter the Infinite on top of the stack. The copy resolves, and you'll essentially draw your entire library, then put a card on top, then draw that card, and put a card on top of your library.
Psychic Spiral , still Twincast
You cast Psychic Spiral and then Twincast it. Twincast creates a copy of Psychic Spiral on top of the stack, which resolves first.
You shuffle the cards from your graveyard into your library, and then target players "mills" (not discards) that many cards. The original Psychic Spiral then resolves, and you do the same thing again, only this time, there's likely to be 0 cards in your graveyard.
Does this make sense?
December 23, 2013 8:20 a.m.
Barrelbomb says... #3
Ahh i see but i would have thought i could choose a new player because twincast allows me to "choose new targets for the copy"
December 23, 2013 8:29 a.m.
Barrelbomb says... #4
also i thought Enter the Infinite would target me as it says draw cards from YOUR library sorry i am still sorta new to these cards just trying to get my head around them
December 23, 2013 8:32 a.m.
Twincast states that you "may choose new targets for the copy". Enter the Infinite doesn't target (as it doesn't use the word "target" in it's ability text), and thus it can't re-target something. Think of it as a Pyroclasm . The effect will happen, but you can't target anything with it.
In the case of Psychic Spiral you do get to re-target the mill-effect, but unless something puts cards in your graveyard between the resolution of the original Psychic Spiral and the Twincast ed copy. Of course Twincast does go there, so you'll get to re-shuffle and mill 1 card.
December 23, 2013 8:36 a.m.
Barrelbomb says... #6
Ahh i see well that really did clear things up , as i said just got the cards and trying to work a viable strategy for them, also while i have your ear another 2 questions if you do not mind my asking,
Harrow + Twincast if i play Harrow then sacrifice the land then Twincast it in that order do i have to pay the copies additional cost ( people keep saying i do not but just want to be sure and) and
Bringing up the target thing again if something has protection from colored spells can they be taken out with say Final Judgment eg Emrakul, the Aeons Torn gets hit by Final Judgment
December 23, 2013 8:42 a.m.
I was unclear in # 2 and made a mistake in # 5, so I'll break it down in bits, just to make sure I'm not confusing anyone.
You cast Psychic Spiral targeting Player A with (for the sake of the example) 5 cards in your graveyard, then you cast Twincast targeting the Psychic Spiral . The stack now looks like this:
As the stack resolves in LIFO (Last In First Out), you'll resolve the cards from the top of the stack to the bottom.
Both players pass priority and Twincast resolves, creating a copy of Psychic Spiral . You may choose new targets for the mill effect of Psychic Spiral . Twincast then goes to the graveyard. Your graveyard contains 6 cards, and the stack looks like this
Copy of Psychic Spiral
Following LIFO, the copied Psychic Spiral resolves, and sees 6 cards in your graveyard, which are shuffled into your library, then you choose a target to mill 6 cards. The copy of Psychic Spiral then goes to the graveyard and ceases to exist as it is not represented by a real card.
The stack just has a Psychic Spiral and your graveyard has 0 cards in it.
You follow the effects of Psychic Spiral once again, and shuffle 0 cards into your library, then the target you chose originally mills 0 cards. Psychic Spiral then goes to the graveyard.
December 23, 2013 8:45 a.m.
@Barrelbomb: No worries.
Harrow + Twincast . As the "sacrifice a land" thing is part of the cost, you won't have to do it again, as the copies aren't cast, they're merely created on the stack.
Protection is most easily remembered by DEBT (Damage, Enchanted/Equipped, Blocked, Targeted). Anything that has protection from X can't be damaged, enchanted, equipped, blocked or targeted by anything which is X.
In your example Final Judgment will exile Emrakul, the Aeons Torn , because it isn't trying to damage, enchant, equip, block or target it.
If say you were instead talking about Progenitus and Blasphemous Act , it wouldn't work, because even though Blasphemous Act doesn't target, it is trying to deal damage, which Protection will prevent.
December 23, 2013 8:52 a.m.
Barrelbomb says... #9
I see well thanks again dude you have been a major help
December 23, 2013 8:57 a.m.
Tradeylouish says... #10
One minor correction: "...the copied Psychic Spiral resolves, and sees 6 cards in your graveyard, which are shuffled into your library, then you choose a target to mill 6 cards." When you copy Psychic Spiral with Twincast , you choose a target for the copy during the resolution of Twincast , not during the copy's resolution. I suspect this was a mistake rather than a misunderstanding, as you seemed to have it right earlier in your answer.
December 23, 2013 2:56 p.m.
Rangerssuck247 says... #11
Good afternoon, I had a question that I wasn't sure was answered already in the forum. Since this thread is about Twincast I figured I would post it here. I'm playing high tide solidarity. I'm going off on my opponent's turn. So let's say I cast High Tide then I cast Impulse , then I cast Meditate , now I cast Reset to untap my lands, I have a Flash of Insight in my grave yard. I flash it back exiling every blue card in my graveyard including the one's that I just cast. (Can I exile the one's that I just cast?) Now I want to Twincast the original High Tide . Is it legal to do that? If not when was the latest I could have twincasted it? Thank you for your help.
Barrelbomb says... #1
Ahh bugger sorry forgot to link cards names for reference here are the cards linked :
Enter the Infinite Twincast Psychic Spiral
December 23, 2013 8:14 a.m.