What to Do with Treachery?

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Posted on July 5, 2021, 6:35 a.m. by Quickspell

Hi guys, I have a copy of Treachery and I'm wondering what best to do with it.

  1. There seems to be a combo with Words of Wind but I don't quite understand how it works. I use Treachery to gain control of a creature, untap my lands and then use one of those the next time I would draw a card to return it to my hand? Is that it?

  2. What would be a good EDH deck for it? EDHRec has some suggestions of which Brago, King Eternal seems the best to me. But I suppose Marchesa, the Black Rose would also make good use of it, thought it's not even on EDHRec's list. So what other good commanders would you suggest for this card?

shadow63 says... #2

July 5, 2021 7:59 a.m.

1empyrean says... #3

The combo you linked is in a deck that likely has G/W enchantress effects (where the card draw is coming from), and seeks to bounce everyone's field with Words of Wind nor little to no actual loss of mana per loop.

I have to deal with this in a friend's Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign deck.

July 5, 2021 1:12 p.m.

Quickspell says... #4

shadow63 I see!

1empyrean Hmm... So I have, say, Sythis, Harvest's Hand . I play Treachery , untap 5 lands and draw a card. Because I control both effects, I can order them in such way that I first untap and then draw. I use 1 mana to activate Words of Wind and take back Treachery while everyone has to bounce something. But then I am 1 mana short to recast Treachery unless I have something like Sapphire Medallion , isn't that so? (Obviously Yennett, Cryptic Sovereign can cast Treachery for free, but it's only once per turn.) So it's really like a complicated but repeatable Cyclonic Rift with the upside of also eventually forcing my opponents to bounce their lands which really should end the game.
It seems then that Tuvasa the Sunlit would be a reasonable commander. I see now what can be done, thank you!

July 7, 2021 6:20 p.m. Edited.

1empyrean says... #5

Quickspell Yes, except you would use an ETB draw trigger, not a cast draw trigger, such as Eidolon of Blossoms .

Tuvasa would be great.

July 7, 2021 6:33 p.m. Edited.

Quickspell says... #6

1empyrean Why is that relevant? I would be casting Treachery, wouldn't I? What would be the difference?

July 7, 2021 6:40 p.m.

1empyrean says... #7

Quickspell It matters because you need Treachery to be on the battlefield when you would draw, not still on the stack.

July 8, 2021 12:11 a.m.

Quickspell says... #8

1empyrean ah I see.. thanks again, this was very helpful

July 8, 2021 4:47 p.m.

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