How does Thought-Knot Seer work with Eldrazi Displacer
Asked by TheMountainLion 7 years ago
I thought I'd heard in the past that something similar happened like this: Thought-Knot Seer comes in and you exile a card, you use Eldrazi Displacer and because its all ONE PARAGRAPH it all happens before Thought-Knot Seers second part of his text TWO PARAGRAPHS, so he is never recognized as leaving the battlefield. So as long as you have the mana you can keep exiling and they can't keep drawing new cards. Is this correct?
P.S. No I don't know how to underline or bold or italicize lol
TheMountainLion says... #2
I had someone perma exile one of my things by Cloudshifting Fiend Hunter Is that different or were they wrong in doing so?
August 3, 2016 8:26 a.m.
So here's how this would work. When TKS enters the battlefield, a trigger goes on the stack to allow you to look at an opponent's hand and exile a nonland card. When TKS leaves the battlefield, a trigger goes on the stack to make that opponent draw a card. When you blink TKS with the Displacer (or anything), it is both leaving and entering the battlefield as the blink ability resolves so both abilities will trigger simultaneously. If you control the TKS you get to choose the order those triggers go on the stack.
If you choose to put the exile trigger first, the draw trigger will go on the stack second but resolve first because of the whole last-in, first-out nature of the stack. If you choose this, then your opponent will draw a card then you get to look at their hand and exile a nonland card.
If you reverse the order, you will get to look at your opponent's hand and exile a nonland card then they draw a card.
The two sequences play out quite differently. If you are trying to control your opponent's draws, the first order is probably what you want to do. If you do this on MTGO, you need to be careful the order you stack your triggers to get the correct outcome.
August 3, 2016 8:31 a.m.
When the Fiend Hunter left the battlefield, whatever it exiled the first time would have returned and when it re-entered the battlefield it could exile another creature. Unless a token was exiled the first time, you should have just switched out whatever creature was exiled.
August 3, 2016 8:36 a.m.
It is correct to do so and it is not too unrelated. The stack works on a "last in, first out" basis.
When Fiend Hunter ETBs, he triggers the first ability. Casting Cloudshift in response will exile the card and return before that resolves. That will put its "leaves" ability and another instance of the "enters" ability, both of which will resolve before the original "enters" ability.
The "leaves" part will do nothing, since there is nothing to return, then the latest "enters" ability will exile a creature and finally, the original "enters" ability will exile a creature, with no way to return it.
August 3, 2016 8:41 a.m.
TheMountainLion says... #6
Boza I'm sorry but I don't get it. Sorry for being so dense...
August 3, 2016 10:18 a.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #7
Fiend Hunter has an ETB ability that exiles a creature and an LTB ability that returns said creature to the battlefield.
When you cast Fiend Hunter and he enters the battlefield, his ETB ability triggers and you target an Elvish Mystic. in response, so before the ETB ability resolves, you cast Cloudshift, flickering your creature. This triggers his LTB ability which goes on the stack on top of his ETB ability.
His LTB will resolve first, but since no creature has been exiled yet, it does nothing. then the ETB that's targeting Elvish Mystic resolves, exiling it. Since the LTB that would return the Mystic has already resolves, the Elvish Mystic is permanently exiled.
August 3, 2016 10:28 a.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... #8
Compare this card, Fiend Hunter to Banisher Priest. Same ability, but Banisher Priest has a duration instead of an LTB, so Banisher Priest would not work for this combo.
August 3, 2016 10:34 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #9
Note that in both cases Fiend Hunter and Thought-Knot Seer), both triggered abilities still resolve. It's just that Fiend Hunter's last ability can't do anything unless the first one has already exiled a creature. Thought-Knot Seer's last ability does not depend on anything else; it's not a linked ability. Your opponent will draw a card when this ability resolves.
Boza says... Accepted answer #1
No, it does not work like that.
Activate Displacer, targeting TKS. The permanent is exiled and reenters the battlefield tapped immediately afterwards as part of the same ability. That triggers both of TKS' abilities and they want to enter the stack simultaneously. As the controller of those abilities, you choose in which order those resolve, so you have two choice:
1/ An opponent draws a card, then you exile a card.
2/ Exile a card, then an opponent draws a card.
August 3, 2016 8:17 a.m.