Is Tabernacle and Timetwister really necessary for the cEDH Urza list? I want my deck to be equal in power to the 1.5 list so I have a snow island and time reversal in the respective spots for now until I’m lucky enough to possibly get one if it’s really needed.

MagickedOne: It depends on your meta for both cards.

Twister acts as both a wheel but also forms a recursion engine with Narset's Reversal so that you can do things like build a bird army with Swan Song. You can potentially swap it out with another card that allows for an engine, however the deck will technically suffer for it.

Tabernacle is just a strong stax card, especially against things like Najeela or Blood Pod who want ot build a board state. At the end of the day, having it is better than not having it however if you're coming from a really instant/sorcery heavy meta with commanders like Zur and Kess then not having is not such a big deal.

Is Xyris, the Writhing Storm or Nekusar, the Mindrazor stronger?

I got a Emiel the blessed deck going and it seems like it has a high potential for being competitive. What do you guys think?

Beatismcscoots honestly, neither will ever be competitive, but having access to black is really strong. However, Xyris can go off more easily without a wheel, so... I don't really know. Play some high power (but not cEDH) games with both and come to your own conclusions.

Pls update the list more often :D

We need a new person to make a new list or, instead, make this a community driven and controlled list.

Check the Decklist Database.

vasarto, yeah you should do it.

I don't think jarad golgari lich lord belongs in the mid power with all these other crap commander. I know he's not the strongest out there but he's at least high power. He just need a phyrexian devourer to snipe everyone

Hello, please update list.

I was pretty sure the curators moved to moxfield :(

RNR_Gaming would love a link if that's true.

As for updates, either make your own list, or wait.

Winota should be higher. Either tier 1.5 or 2. It feasts on consultation decks.

Hey I really think Ezuri, Renegade Leader needs more love. 3 is low. I think it can confidently be considered a tier 2 commander at worse. Here is my primer for a reference!

Ezuri Combo Elves *Primer*

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Why is Ramos, Dragon Engine half a tier higher than Jodah, Archmage Eternal?

DespairFaction Could you tell me a little more about the winota lists?

Here’s my list. Usually wins turns 3-5 or locks the game in a way that others can’t win. Plays similarly to blood pod in term of stax pieces, but is much faster than blood pod. Creature package is hugely customizable for different situations. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/winota-cedh-3/

When did they update this? And when did Oloro move up?

There are some who say mardu is not competitively or high power viable. Alesha, Edgar Markov, Old Kalia, Queen Marchesa, even Jirina Kudrow, and Silvar and Trin. Mardu has a lot of potentials. It even has space for a Stax deck.

There is no way in hell Zilortha is a mid level commander. It's high power. It's just that everyone builds the deck completely wrong. My Zilortha, or God Zilla deck, wrecks everything it goes against in a 1v1 matchup with ease. The last game I won by turn 5 and had it locked in at turn 3. There are plenty of ways to protect him and keep your opponents from countering or using removal so it's almost never an issue. Out of the 7 games I have played with it so far, no one has destroyed, countered or exiled him despite the other decks being filled with the stuff. Zilortha, strength incarnate "godzilla" is really powerful Voltron commander and even in the commander decks I have seen online that use it as their commander, they are still doing it wrong. People keep adding all of these Green and Red creatures that have "this creature gets THIS when it has an equipment on it" which IMO is a total waste of of a card slot.

If the creature I am using doesn't fetch land, or has an ETB trigger that pumps Godzilla, I threw that card out for another equipment. My deck is fast, and fucking wrecks anyone 1v1 by turn 5-6 at the latest. Sometimes in multiplayer where I get mana jacked and there are other players doing even faster more impressive things that make the others forget I exist, I still win. Because when the commander game gets down to turn 7 or so, which regardless of how much you might pretend that your brainwashing that you have convinced yourself that your deck can win on turn 2 consistently 9/10....it absolutely doesn't work like that and in multiplayer games this commander gets ignored way too late and by then I have a hexproof, trample, protection from black, red, green etc unstoppable, unblockable indestructable terror monster that is swinging out doing lethal commander damage.

Just today I had eldrazi conscripts and a whispersilk cloak on him by turn 5 or 6 or so and the game was over in about 10 minutes at that point. The whole deck is built on nothing but three things. Keeping Godzilla safe, Running shoes so I can sprint my way to victory and literally all of the best most powerful and broken equipment cards I could find. All of the swords ofs', mage slayer, blackblade....ALL the good ones. Maybe I am missing some but I got a lot of great stuff in it! I don't NEED other creatures to make threats to attach shit too. I literally only need Godzilla and my playgroup knows it!

First off I really love your passionate plea for Zilortha.

But in my experience playing Voltron decks you're being hosed (the in my meta heavily played) edict decks. Hexproof, Shroud and protection from a colour doesn't protect you from Sacrificing (since it doesn't target) your lone creature and the setbacks are just so harsh (command tax), so a Voltron player will have a bad time.

It's fairly easy to stop such a deck in it's tracks, most Voltron decks are mid power for that reason. Ignoring a Voltron player is just bad threat assessment from the table and they should and could be contained fairly easily.

Your example is more you being a proper pilot in your meta than Zilortha being a high power commander imo.

It was also mentioned that his Zilortha deck is 1v1, whereas this is "multiplayer" edh, therefore his "data" is invalid

I just haven't had the chance to have a multiplayer game with him is all. By your logic though, all commanders are mid level threats since every commander can be "easily contained". I mean, while zilortha is the star of the deck, that doesn't keep me from throwing the same equipment onto a mana dork and swinging for game. I just don't think he's mid level is all. I mean, FFS, Omnath Locust of Mana is in High power and anyone can "contain" the deck just like you said by targeting omnath and commander tax. The moment he is on the field he becomes a target all the same. You can't protect him against sacrificing so since just like any other commander deck where the deck is based on his ability to stack mana the deck quickly falls apart the moment one or two players contain your commander from stacking mana and lock out out of the game.

Plus, It's monocolored so you don't have access to red like zilortha does. I forget the name of the card but my last game involved that enchantment that makes my stuff do Triple damage. Have that out late game and a brass squire. Hard equip a sword, blackblade and conquerors flail to it and it's now a threat. You could say "dies to removal" but so does your hoard of Infinite power and infinite toughness double striking vigilance token deck to board wipe spells. Zilortha is high power because I can demonsrate a reliable win by turns 5-7. One day when this coronavirus thing is over I am gonna get to play him multiplayer and see how well he does there and I suspect he will still do fairly well too.

Feel like Grumgully all over again tbh. No one believes in the power of Gruul Commanders. :(