Manic Scribe in multiples
Asked by Hwedlor 7 years ago
If I cast Manic Scribe and it resolves my opponent puts three cards in grave.
If I cast a second Manic Scribe in that turn my opponent would put another 6 cards in the grave
Is this correct?
this should be like Thalia's Lieutenant or Hedron Crab. Both of these give multiples based on what is already on the battlefield.
November 1, 2016 2:39 a.m.
metalmagic says... #3
Ok first of all Hedron Crab never mentions itself in its text, so that is not even a comparable example, so let's ignore that. The reason Thalia's Lieutenant gets bigger twice off another one entering the battlefield is because the card itself is a HUMAN, NOT because either of them have the name Thalia's Lieutenant.
If you have two Lieutenants in play and you cast and resolve, for example, a Thraben Inspector, each Lieutenant will only get one +1/+1 counter. If they each gave all cards named Thalia's Lieutenant a +1/+1 counter each time a human enters play, they would instead get 2 counters each in that scenario, but that is not the case.
November 1, 2016 2:57 a.m.
metalmagic says... #5
Yes, I am Level 1 judge and have been for two years. I guarantee what I'm telling you is correct.
November 1, 2016 3:22 a.m.
metalmagic is correct.
201.4. Text that refers to the object its on by name means just that particular object and not any other objects with that name, regardless of any name changes caused by game effects.
November 1, 2016 3:52 a.m.
Gidgetimer says... #7
A week ago I answered a very similar question for you. If you were not satisfied with the answers given you should have continued asking for clarification. When a card refers to itself by name, be it Favored Hoplite or Manic Scribe, it is only referring to the permanent the ability is on.
201.4 has been quoted to you multiple times at this point. If you have an actual rule you would like to sight, or if something about the wording of the rule confuses you please ask for clarification. There are about 4-5 highly knowledgeable people that will go through even answered questions to assure the accuracy of the answer. It is safe to assume the answers in here are correct, and if they are not they will be corrected within a day.
November 1, 2016 7:57 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #8
Whether or not a person is a Judge doesn't matter. What matters is whether or not their answer is backed up by the rules of the game. All of the answers you've been given so far are correct. The triggering event for Manic Scribe's first ability is "when [this object] enters the battlefield". It won't trigger again if a different Manic Scribe enters the battlefield.
If you have Thalia's Lieutenant on the battlefield and play another one, the new Lieutenant will only trigger the second triggered ability on the first one, because it is a Human entering the battlefield. If you play another Human while the two Lieutenants are on the battlefield, it will of course trigger the second ability of both Lieutenants.
November 1, 2016 11:29 a.m.
PayOneLife says... #9
This is the second time you've asked essentially the same question. Why is it that you don't believe the answers you've been given? Is there a specific reason?
November 1, 2016 7:51 p.m.
Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #10
Just coming here to throw my support.
Whenever an object references its name in its ability, it literally means "this card the ability that triggered is printed on."
You could replace Manic Scribe's name, in the text, with the phrase "this card" to help alleviate your confusion in this matter.
So, It'd read "Whenever this card enters the battlefield, each opponent puts the top 3 cards of their library into their graveyard."
metalmagic says... #1
That is incorrect. Whenever a card has its own name in an ability, it generally means "Whenever this card does X," not "Whenever any card with the same name as this does X." A second Manic Scribe would only result in an additional 3 cards milled, for a total of 6 over the whole turn - 3 from each Scribe only. Hope this helped!
November 1, 2016 2:33 a.m.