Eldritch Moon is mappable based on art.
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Posted on July 25, 2016, 10:19 p.m. by Monsmtg
Tl;dw:
By case, all non flip mythics appear in one pack art. You have been warned.
This allows people to buy a case, crack a box, and sort out all the pacts with mythics.
From what I've gleaned from Reddit, this is a US problem, and the EU sets from Carta Monde don't have this issue.
Please note: it's not just the Liliana art. There is one art per case that is loaded, but it can be any art. In the deriums case, it was lili.
KillDatBUG says... #3
Wow. You can map every single Edritch Moon box for mythics because they're all in the Liliana packs... Are you shitting me.
Wizards, you done fucked up now.
July 25, 2016 10:53 p.m.
Just to clarify:
_It seems that you can map Eldritch moon boxes based on the art on the outside of the packs. This means that your chances on getting a non-flip mythic are 4x greater in packs with Liliana on the front.
Apparently something like this has happened before, back with DGM! I wasn't following the game back then, I only just heard about that one.
I think this is the worst blunder Wizards has made since I started, even worse than an all mythic box of MM2!
July 25, 2016 10:59 p.m. Edited.
PistonGolem says... #5
Also, I heard that it doesn't apply to boxes, IT APPLIES TO CASES. Yup, a store can open one box, and know which packs to sell, and which packs to save.
July 25, 2016 11:01 p.m.
Holy shit. That's fucked up. This is likely unfixable for Wizards. Wow.
July 25, 2016 11:02 p.m.
PistonGolem, that means you can basically get screwed in draft if your opponent takes all Liliana packs, and you don't.
Remind me not to draft this set now!
July 25, 2016 11:05 p.m. Edited.
Atony1400 Not true. LGS should never allow players to pick their packs. They should randomly assign them to players. If this is true, it just means that every LGS should give each player one of each art. It won't kill draft.
July 25, 2016 11:06 p.m.
@DrFunk27,
I just hope my LGS doesn't let you pick your packs, I havn't drafted since Tarkir block, and they didn't then, so I doubt it,
@ Epochalyptik, @ChiefBell: This deserves to be featured.
July 25, 2016 11:08 p.m. Edited.
yeah seems like people just need to be educated about making damn sure they draft random packs (which, let's face it, should have already been happening as box mapping didn't start today) and i guess making sure they weren't served cherry-picked draft sets. its not great but i don't really think its a total bust.
July 25, 2016 11:15 p.m.
yeaGO, you might be onto something. What if this mess up is only related to the first order? Maybe they will resolve this by the second time stores order EMN product, Who knows! Also, does this mess up effect the single packs from chain stores? Is it possible to open a nonflip mythic from the Wolf packs from chain store packs?
July 25, 2016 11:33 p.m.
Vergil_Redgrail says... #12
It's not just Liliana art. Each box (or potentially case) has a different art assigned to its mythics. If you find one, you know which art the rest will fall under, using this theory.
July 25, 2016 11:33 p.m.
Unforgivn_II says... #13
Oh boy, I remember this from RtR block. Good times, watching a dude open about 5 packs out of a box, then be able to predict every card in every pack after. Its happened before and it'll happen again, it just takes time to break the new algorithm. They'll make a new one and it'll be some time before that one is broken. Moral? Don't buy packs (ever), but if you must, buy em from Walmart/Target/etc because they're individually packaged.
July 26, 2016 1:55 a.m. Edited.
make sure you get random packs when drafting
if you buy single boosters from a box grab a variety of arts, make sure there aren't only 1 or 2 artworks.
July 26, 2016 2:12 a.m.
Yeah this is obviously an issue but telling people not to buy packs ever is just stupid. People have to buy packs to keep stores supporting magic and so long as you only buy from your LGS so long as they arent scumbags it should be fine.
July 26, 2016 7:40 a.m.
Well, I don't know if that was just a matter of luck or if the boosterbox was made in USA, but I did fetch all Liliana-boosters from brand new box in local store just yesterday (in the middle of Poland) and the issue (or the "trick") was perfectly the same.
July 26, 2016 9:36 a.m.
In the video, there was a small text box that said sometimes it wasn't only the lily packs that were mythic, the other arts were. Is this right Vergil_Redgrail?
July 26, 2016 10:48 a.m.
Vergil_Redgrail says... #18
Yes. I saw this same thing talked about several days ago before being brought up here. It was first noted in the Smoldering Werewolf packs, not Liliana packs.
July 26, 2016 10:56 a.m.
EmblemMan Cracking packs is rarely a good idea. Is it fun? Yes. However, if you're looking for a card, you're highly unlikely to pull it. Singles is always the best way to maximize value and you can still support your LGS. Stores gain enough return off singles that not buying packs won't kill them. Draft opens enough and prize support also helps. I've bought packs three times in the last year and each time was for nonstandard sets.
July 26, 2016 11:02 a.m. Edited.
You should try to see if one art is missing or vastly underrepresented from the box you're buying from. Ask your LGS to show you. If ones missing you should let them know that's not something you appreciate in any set.
LGSs should also beware and try to make sure pack sales and distribution alternates fairly, rather than players picking the pack. They should alternate boxes from different cases if they can. They may not know and could be exploited.
July 26, 2016 11:22 a.m.
mgordon0944 says... #21
I pulled a booster box with only 10 Liliana packs. I just open 3 of each pack art, and I pulled an Emrakul and Foil Spell Queller in the Liliana packs. The rest were nothing special.
July 26, 2016 11:38 a.m.
Unforgivn_II says... #22
EmblemMan, I didn't mean stop supporting your LGS, I meant packs aren't economical like DrFunk27 said. Perhaps you should figure out the context of what I meant before writing me off and calling me stupid
July 26, 2016 12:40 p.m.
You said dont buy packs period and if you must do not buy them from your lgs (buy them from walmart etc) that is explicitly saying do not support your LGS by buying packs. That had nothing to do with economics. Also I did not call you stupid I said the concept of your post was stupid.
July 26, 2016 12:48 p.m.
You kids can stop that now.
There's a topic.
Drop your god-forsaken semantics and stick to the topic.
July 26, 2016 1:07 p.m.
TMBRLZ Hear hear! I'm gonna buy a box, map it and sell the rest of the packs off knowing their isn't shit in them. lmao /s
July 26, 2016 1:23 p.m. Edited.
I can't even remember the last time I spent real dough on booster packs. Glad this isn't something I need to worry about.
July 26, 2016 1:24 p.m.
...Still not going to buy packs off Amazon for this set...
July 26, 2016 1:49 p.m.
I was rather wondering why my box had around 14 non flip mythics... though I'll be honest I wasn't paying attention to see if they were from packs with Liliana art..
July 26, 2016 9:26 p.m.
It's not just the Liliana art
It's not just the Liliana art
It's not just the Liliana art
It's not just the Liliana art
Can we get an edit to the top to clarify. I swear every other post in this thread has been confused by what's actually going on here.
July 27, 2016 2:05 a.m.
Rule of thumb:
LGS's shouldn't let you pick EMN packs.
Don't be a scumbag. Don't let your LGS let you pick EMN packs.
Sincerely, an LGS employee.
July 27, 2016 9:32 a.m.
This helps explain the crazy swingly pulls my prerelease. Some people pulled Emrakul, gisela, Liliana, and bruna in their pool. Others, seriously nothing.
I mean two people pulled off melding brisela, in limited.
July 27, 2016 10:13 a.m.
Sorry Chief, my bad, I said it was only Liliana, now I know that's it's not the case
July 27, 2016 10:22 a.m.
I'd like to think they didn't carry this same mistake through all of the packs across fatpacks and pre-release kits, but it's entirely possible.
July 27, 2016 10:23 a.m.
TMBRLZ I had a fatpack for a mini-event (4 packs limited) and had 2 lilis and 2 tamiyos and got 2 mythics, don't remember which art had them though.
July 27, 2016 10:32 a.m.
Rabid_Wombat says... #41
TMBRLZ it's not a mistake dude.
Chinese Triads have insiders at the factory and have been rigging boosters for years.
It's one of the main reasons that mtgmintcard always have an insane amount of Mythic Rares...they are based in Hong Kong (they are also in the top 5 biggest sellers on eBay. At first I thought they must be shifting counterfeits but no, this is how they do it.
The fact that Carta Mundi in Belgium have never, ever had this problem settles it for me #caseclosed
Wizards need to stop printing cards in the PRC. ASAP.
July 29, 2016 4:22 a.m.
What do you guys think this means for the price of non-flip mythics and rares? Seems to me like the supply of nonflip mythics will be larger than ever before at the small-mid size card shops. But there are also money rares, Spell Queller and Thalia, Heretic Cathar etc-- think they'll actually be opened less?
July 29, 2016 3:53 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #43
Theoretically, each rare should be opened more than mythics. Just people pick the mythic packs and the others stay unopened. Those Spell Quellers are out there, just in the sad, unwanted packs. The supply of nonflip mythics I think would be the same, as the mapping does not actually alter the amount of mythics you open, it just tells you which packs have them. But actually, an abundance of mythics could be a good thing, it would drive prices down: Supply > Demand.
July 29, 2016 10:55 p.m.
HairyManBack says... #44
Haven't ever heard Wizards making this mistake before. However, there use to be this Jewish-owned shady card shop in my city called Shinders. My brothers being Jews themselves we dubbed them 'Swindlers'. They were accused of using a special machine to open up packs. Yoink the good rares and replace it with a shoebox rare. Then professionally seal the pack.
We tied it together when we noticed a slight impression on the top card of the pack. As if a machine had tampered with it. And the packs sucked at that shop.
Needless to say they went out of business for money laundering.
Point being if some local guys were doing that 15 years ago what makes one think it's not happening all the time? Don't mean to hate it's I hope players are well versed in sneaky tactics of companies are endless.
July 30, 2016 12:38 p.m.
Is there any way to tell what pack you'll get out of the cardboard sleeved packs
July 31, 2016 4:27 p.m.
Just thought it'd be interesting to share that the box I ordered a week ago and opened yesterday was not mappable. 2 nonflip mythics in Liliana, 3 in Werewolf, 1 in Tamiyo, and 1 flip mythic in Liliana.
Sealed and everything, from a US seller, so not sure if it was only the first printing.
July 31, 2016 4:34 p.m. Edited.
As someone who bought a box, i can confirm that all non flip and non foil mythics were pulled out of lili packs, i pulled a total of 6 mythics, 5 in lili packs and Gisela in a tamyio pack
July 31, 2016 4:55 p.m.
PiggyFace Flip cards are not mapped. Only nonflip, so that makes sense. This is crazy. lol
July 31, 2016 5:02 p.m.
_SeriosSkies_ says... #49
Holy shit, Spell Queller's are worth something. and here i thought it was what odric was for me in shadows. (Inescapable bulk, im up to like 6 of them now.)
Monsmtg says... #2
Sorry for the mistakes I am on mobile but I had to post this asap.
July 25, 2016 10:20 p.m.