That’s a fun little deck - I had not considered Mutavault .
I am still not seeing it as making a splash. I still see it as less more than traditional UB mill’s with fast, brutal efficiency, filled with plenty of redundant cards, such that even medicore draws can lead to a turn 4/5 victory. Mill is already fragile and has a number of bad matchups, adding Humans as a bad matchup doesn’t hurt.
With regards to adding control for security, control demands you fill your hand with protection spells, and minimise your chances to draw win conditions, so you only draw them when your ready. Petitioners wants you to fill your deck and hand with advisors. Both are directly competing for the same deck slots. Between petitioners, other advisors, rather vials, lands, and draw spells, you have little space left for an effective control package.
As for vintage and legacy, turn one wins are not uncommon in either format, but I think this one would require too many moving pieces - if any one got hit by Force of Will , you’re not going to have enough to survive the brutal meta of those formats.
I know that makes me seem like a Debbie Downer, but that’s only because I prefer playing control, and would love a viable control-mill deck (other than JTMS and Teferi). However, Petitioners is not the card that’s needed for that strategy. It is too slow for burn, and takes up too much space for control. It’s a fun card, and I expect it will be popular at casual Commander tables and more casual FNMs, may be popular in Standard (I don’t know that meta well enough to say), but not in serious competitive modern, vintage, or legacy play.
January 16, 2019 9:58 p.m.
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cdkime Thanks for the tip about Monday being a public holiday and I will send an email along with all the crew from the FLGS to express our concerns.
This really can't be what Wizards wants as our store sells double the amount of product than their non-independent rival. Sadly it's the only independent LGS left in the city - the other got taken over by the franchise store after it went bankrupt last year.
Btw the supplier does have form - they have prevented our FLGS from recieving any KeyForge decks for the past two months! And now they are really turning in the screws with this non delivery of pre-release guild kits/boxes.
I just feel so sorry for the staff who all looked totally devastated yesterday - they work so hard seven days a week and now the writing is on the wall. The retail sector here in Australia is getting hammered by online sales (just like everywhere else) so it really has become the Survival of the Fittest .
Back on topic....Argy that Ooze is a beast! Wish it was Legendary as it would be the perfect Commander for Ooze Tribal :D
January 19, 2019 5:54 p.m.
My LGS received NO pre-release kits! They got told six hours before the first event was going to start :/
60+ of us had prepaid our deposits and we all got refunds.
Apparently the national distributor here in Australia is only supporting it's franchise stores - so independent LGS's like our regular store got nothing and will possibly end up going bankrupt if this biased marketing continues.
I'm calling Wizards' Seattle number to complain on Monday. rant over
January 19, 2019 5:21 a.m.
cdkime here is a Mono Blue Modern Merfolk style Petitioners deck example:
T1. Mutavault , play Aether Vial T2. Island , cheat in a 1CMC Advisor like Minister of Inquiries , play Persistent Petitioners T3. land, cheat in any Advisor (1 or 2CMC). Pay for Mutavault and tap all Advisors to mill 12. You still have a U to play something or save for a Spell Pierce. If you played 2 Advisors this turn you could technically mill for 15 if you use Minister of Inquiries ability. T4: Continue to mill and control magic.
As for Vintage and Legacy formats - Petitioners/Mana Rocks/Thrumming Stone/Tutors/FoW = Turn One Win!
January 16, 2019 8:26 p.m.
Here you go NotAsGood:
Mono Black Casual- 4x Dark Ritual , 2x Terror 4x Hymn to Tourach , 4x hypnotic spector, 4x Mind Twist 4x Drain Life , 4x Black Knight , 4x Order of the Ebon Hand , 2x Greed , 2x Diabolic Tutor , 2x Howl from Beyond 4x Contract from Below and 20x Swamp
January 15, 2019 3:55 a.m.
I would not be surprised if they help Mill win a few Standard tournaments though!
cdkime Actually, the Library is the most valuable resource...through milling it away you are actively achieving card & resource (mana) denial and when your opponent runs out of cards you win when they can no longer draw cards!
Forget about Glimpse the Unthinkable etc...Modern Mono-Blue Mill is going to be where it's at - it will be so much faster than the lame current Modern build you refer to.
And oh yeah...their price has more than tripled in the last few hours ;) :D
January 15, 2019 2:27 a.m.
cdkime I don't get the mill/burn comparison...two totally different play styles and deck builds.
Mill is more control and harder to run than Burn which is just aggro. Maybe you got mixed up and were thinking of Stompy?
Players have more options to defend against Burn through Life Gain whereas their are fewer ways to defend against mill. And mill has Counterspells and card draw galore!
Ensnaring Bridge is not a wincon so it is not better at all and has zero relevance- especially when you refer to it in the SB...c'mon man.
Persistent Petitioners gives mill a new way to help deck an opponent, while at the same time offering defence against aggro - which is huge. No mill deck has ever really shone in Modern...that is going to change.
Not to mention that Persistent Petitioners will Dominate Pauper -it will be banned in that format asap.
If anyone wants to speculate- buy a few dozen at 25/50 cents each and flip them next month for 5 bucks a piece :D
January 15, 2019 12:01 a.m.
Persistent Petitioners is going to be one of the best cards in Standard.
It will make Mill viable and will see play in every format - especially Modern because Archive Trap .
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