Totem Armor vs Lifelink and Infect
Asked by Spirits 7 years ago
Stonehewer Giant equipped with Grafted Exoskeleton and Loxodon Warhammer and Hammer of Nazahn who is paired with Silverblade Paladin is blocked by a Managorger Hydra with Bear Umbra and 19 +1/+1 counters.
This is how we resolved, but not sure if we were correct:
First strike hits dealing 11 damage as -1/-1 counters. So the hydra now has 8 +1/+1 counters left. Giant lifelinks 11.
Giant normal hits dealing 11 damage as -1/-1 counters, Hydra hits back for 11 damage. Hydra now has 3 -1/-1 counters on him. Giant lifelinks 11.
Giant is indestructible he survives.
Since the hydra would be destroyed Bear umbra is destroyed instead, and he gets his 19 +1/+1 counters back as damage is removed.
I was trying to argue my Stonehewer Giant wasnt destroying the Hydra he was simply put in graveyard as his toughness was 0 so totem armor doesnt do anything.
They were arguing that because the damage was removed, and thus the -1/-1 counters removed, that I wouldnt get lifelink.
Next turn was attacked by the hydra with a Triumph of the Hordes and lost due to the infect, but still felt like that hydra shouldnt have all those +1/+1 counters still on it, and probably shouldnt be there at all.
Was a casual game so no judges or anything. Just want to know who is right.
Thanks,
Spirits
So Bear Umbra / Totem Armor doesn't work. Hydra is gone? Does the Lifelink trigger for the Infect Damage/Counters.
December 23, 2017 5:35 p.m.
Yes, the Hydra goes to the graveyard for having 0 or less toughness, which isn't the same as being "destroyed", so totem armor has no effect, and you gain life as normal from lifelink (although, to be precise, lifelink doesn't trigger; it's a static ability).
Lame_Duck says... Accepted answer #1
You were correct. Destroy refers specifically to effects that say "destroy" or a creature having more damage marked on it than its toughness:
Whereas a creature with infect doesn't mark any damage, it puts -1/-1 counters, which reduces the opposing creature to less than 0 toughness:
December 23, 2017 4:54 a.m. Edited.