Mill doesn't equal draw so MirrorMad + Laboratory Maniac?
Asked by TylerJohns 13 years ago
That doesn't work does it?
rckclimber777 says... #2
You are correct. In order for you to win the game you must draw a card from an empty library. Technically however, when you are milled to death (and no lab maniac is on the field) you don't lose right away. You only lose when you have to draw a card from an empty library. So in the case of mirrormad and lab maniac you can activate mirrormad's ability and then use any number of options to draw a card after that including your draw step. So in the sense that you automatically win by activating mirrormad no, but as long as your opponent doesn't have a removal spell then it's a good possibility that you're going to win especially if you were running Think Twice which is now in your graveyard and you should have the mana to pay for it's flashback.
October 19, 2011 10:10 a.m.
cooknathan says... #3
I might tag onto the end of this. What if you have say 3 cards in your library and you Genesis Wave for x = 4?
October 19, 2011 9:55 p.m.
Genesis Wave isnt drawing cards, it is revealing them. Youd Gen wave the 3 remaining and when the library is empty for the 4th reveal, the reveal counts as 0. Still have to win by drawing.
October 19, 2011 10:14 p.m.
Run one Mirror mad, and 4 Laboratory maniacs. get cards that allow you to pull monsters back, and search out specific cards. If you pull those, you can grab mirror, play lab, use effect. If there's only one he keeps drawing infinitely, eventually ending the game, meaning you win.
October 19, 2011 11:32 p.m.
rckclimber777 says... #6
actually you would need to copy him with some effect whether it be phantasmal image, metamorph. If you tried unsummoning mirror-mad. It would go on top of the stack and his effect would fizzle, because he isn't there to shuffle into your library.
October 19, 2011 11:38 p.m.
Get Mirror-Mad Phantasm (and Laboratory Maniac ) out, fire Mirror-Mad's ability so you mill Cackling Counterpart , if you haven't drawn it, flash it back on Mirror-Mad and fire the token's ability during your next upkeep (thus keeping your opp's combo disruption window short and leaving all your other mana untapped for a counterspell). Then your upkeep ends, your draw step begins, and the rest is history.
October 20, 2011 12:59 a.m.
I respect all suggestions here but I am messing around with a Blue black for this and my idea still needs Laboratory Maniac to be on the field and the same search requirements but Mirror-Mad Phantasm needs to die (maybe slipping in 1 mill cycle) and then to have Necrotic Ooze . He would "copy" Mirror mad for a complete clean out. Just as risky and requires one more step but promises a cleared library.
RiotMaker says... Accepted answer #1
Youd have to wait till your nex draw step. Or by playing Ponder or other draw cards when no other cards are present in your library.
October 19, 2011 9:50 a.m.