How does Ice Cauldron interact with Adventure cards?
Asked by CamraMaan 2 years ago
I'm assuming Ice Cauldron doesn't care about whether or not I intend to cast the Adventure portion of a card. I would just tap it and pay X = the Adventure spell's cost, exile the card, then a later turn tap Ice Cauldron to cast the Adventure, correct? I'm scheming around Vega, the Watcher, and with so many Adventure cards likely to be in the deck, Ice Cauldron would likely only go in if it works with Adventures in this way. Thanks in advance!
Similarly, how would Serra Paragon work with an Adventure card in my graveyard? Can I only cast the permanent portion, or can I also cast the Adventure? If I can cast the Adventure, is the 3cc limitation imposed on the Adventure or the permanent's casting cost?
April 19, 2023 6:08 a.m.
And what if I cascade into an Adventure card, and both the Adventure casting cost and the permanent's casting cost are less than the cascade cost limitation? Can I choose between the two, or do I have to cast the permanent portion?
April 19, 2023 6:19 a.m.
Ice Cauldron
Ice Cauldron mana can only be used on spells exiled by Ice Cauldron. When casting an adventure card, you can cast either half.
715.3: "As a player casts an adventurer card, the player chooses whether they cast the card normally or as an Adventure."
So if you paid and exiled Bonecrusher Giant, you could later activate Ice Cauldron and use the to cast Bonecrusher OR Stomp.
If you cast Stomp this way, the spell will go to exile. Ice Cauldron did not exile it; the rules of adventure spells did, so Ice Cauldron will no longer interact with it (but you can still cast it as the creature).
Precognition Field
Say you look at the top card of your library and see Bonecrusher Giant. First thing you do as part of casting a spell is put it onto the stack. As part of the casting a spell (a very long process covered here) you will need to declare how you are casting the spell. In this case you are using Precognition Field to cast it off the top of your library
If you put Bonecrusher Giant onto the stack, the game will protest because it's not an instant or sorcery; it's a creature (The game will then backtrack to put everything back how it was)
If you put Stomp onto the stack, the game will see that it's only an instant
715.3b: "While on the stack as an Adventure, the spell has only its alternative characteristics."
Since everything checks out, the game allows you to proceed with paying costs and casting the adventure spell (And then it'll resolve into exile).
Serra Paragon
Same idea here as Precognition Field. When you try to cast Stomp out of the graveyard, Serra will say "That's not a permanent!" and not let you cast it.
Bonecrusher is a permanent and so can be cast. When it goes to exile because it died, you cannot cast it as a creature, because it did not go to exile as a result of its adventure ability.
Cascade
When you cascade into Bonecrusher Giant, you have to choose if you're putting Stomp or Bonecrusher on the stack. The game then checks if the spell you are now casting is less than spell with the cascade trigger.
ie if you Shardless Agent into Bonecrusher, you can only cast Stomp, because only Stomp costs less. If you Deny Reality into Bonecrusher, you can cast either part, as both cost less.
April 19, 2023 8:04 p.m.
Would it be fair to say that if a card says I can cast an "instant spell" versus "instant card", then I can cast the Adventure portion if it's an instant? If it says "instant card" then it has to be a proper instant card, not an Adventure...?
April 22, 2023 2:44 a.m.
Correct.
Adventures are only instants/sorcerys on the stack if cast as such. Otherwise they are the main card.
- 715.4: "In every zone except the stack, and while on the stack not as an Adventure, an adventurer card has only its normal characteristics."
Archaeomancer, for example, can't return Bonecrusher Giant, because it's not an instant card.
CamraMaan says... #1
More importantly, can I cast the Adventure portion of a card using Precognition Field, or is the Adventure inaccessible this way?
April 19, 2023 6:03 a.m.