Flashing on the stack
Asked by Nocturnal Outcast 8 years ago
Okay, this happened during an EDH game the other day, I have Sliver Overlord as my commander, and a lot of open mana (from an infinite mana combo via Sliver Queen, Basal Sliver, Gemhide Sliver, and Heart Sliver.
My opponent cast a board wipe during their turn, to get rid of my little horde i got brewing, would I be able add my infinite mana combo to the stack, and search out Quick Sliver and Sliver Hivelord and flash in quick sliver, and flash in hivelord on top of it, before Supreme Verdict resolves?
Nocturnal Outcast says... #2
So Quick Sliver does not have to be resolved before using it to flash in other slivers? Since it isn't on the field until the stack resolves, thought it's effect wouldn't be playable yet either.
July 31, 2015 10:41 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... #3
Quick Sliver does have to be on the battlefield for its ability to work.
However, the stack does not resolve all at once. When all players pass priority in succession, the topmost object on the stack resolves. Then, players must pass priority again to resolve the next object.
July 31, 2015 10:51 p.m.
Nocturnal Outcast says... #4
So, I do my mana combo to search out Quick Sliver and Sliver Hivelord. Both the mana combo and Sliver Overlord's effects are instant speed, so they can happen before Supreme Verdict resolves.
I flash in Quick Sliver while supreme verdict is still on the stack. So then I would need to let quick sliver resolve, which would allow supreme verdict to also resolve, before any other slivers can be flashed in? So I cannot save all my other slivers with Hivelord in this way?
I guess my best option in this situation would be to just grab 1000 of each color mana, and every sliver from my deck, and flash them all in after supreme verdict resolves?
July 31, 2015 11:23 p.m.
Epochalyptik says... Accepted answer #5
No. As I said, the stack does NOT resolve all at once. Rather, each object on the stack resolves individually.
Also, being "instant speed" doesn't affect whether something resolves first. Objects on the stack resolve in the reverse order in which they were placed onto the stack; the last object placed on the stack is the first to resolve.
Your infinite mana combo actually has to use the stack. Sliver Queen's token-generating ability is a regular activated ability and uses the stack. Further, both of Sliver Overlord's abilities are regular activated abilities and use the stack. (Because both Basal Sliver's and Gemhide Sliver's abilities are mana abilities, they resolve immediately and don't use the stack.)
After you resolve however many iterations of your mana loop you want to resolve and after you resolve Sliver Overlord's tutor ability twice, you can cast Quick Sliver, resolve it, and cast Sliver Hivelord. This can all happen before Supreme Verdict resolves.
August 1, 2015 12:08 a.m.
Nocturnal Outcast says... #6
Awesome, I got it now, sorry for needing the further explanations, the stacks and resolution orders where a bit confusing to me.
Unrelated to the original question (sort of)If they attempted to counter hivelord, or any other slivers after quick sliver resolves, can you counter a counterspell by flashing in a Root Sliver, obviously using the mana combo, and field from the original post?
August 1, 2015 12:56 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #7
You won't technically "counter" the counterspell, but you'll negate the counter effect. You could only counter it if you made its target illegal or if you had an effect that said counter. Although Root Sliver does say that you can't counter Sliver spells, that doesn't mean that Slivers are illegal targets for counterspells. And if the counterspell has other effects, such as "draw a card," those still happen.
Gidgetimer says... #1
Sure you could. You need to let abilities resolve so they may be able to respond with other things to prevent you from getting infinite mana. But you can totally activate those abilities and try to do that and make your horde indestructible.
July 31, 2015 10:36 p.m.