Do triggered "when you win a coin flip" abilities take effect immediately?
Asked by Yesterday 5 years ago
So this is sort of a dumb question and I figure I know the answer already.
If I were to have an Okaun, Eye of Chaos on the battlefield currently sitting a 2/2 (due to an Ancestral Vengeance or something) and a player casts a Puppet's Verdict and wins the coin flip, would I be right in assuming that Okaun's ability for winning the coin flip would go on the stack and not resolve until after it has already been destroyed due to Puppet's Verdict resolving?
Gidgetimer says... #2
While the essence of your assumption and Madcookie's answer are right (Okaun, Eye of Chaos will die before his power is doubled); there are small details that are wrong in each that only matter in extreme corner cases, but could matter.
As it says in 116.2a an ability can trigger at any time, but will wait until the next time a player would receive priority to go on the stack. This means that if anything triggers later in the resolution of the spell (like undying from the creatures dying) they will all go on the stack at the same time and their controllers can choose the order. Also the pump ability from Okaun, Eye of Chaos does not target anything. So it can be put on the stack after he is dead and will resolve it will just have no effect.
The corner case I concocted where all of this matters is if you have Heartless Summoning out and a Geralf's Messenger you could return the Messenger before casting Stifle on the Okaun trigger to untap everything with Paradox Engine.
Madcookie says... Accepted answer #1
This is what I've found and I think the trigger from Okaun will trigger, then go on the stack, but since Puppet's Verdict is already resolving the creature will die then the trigger will counter itself because of no legal targets.
603.2. Whenever a game event or game state matches a triggered ability’s trigger event, that ability automatically triggers. The ability doesn’t do anything at this point.
116.2a Triggered abilities can trigger at any time, including while a spell is being cast, an ability is being activated, or a spell or ability is resolving. (See rule 603, “Handling Triggered Abilities.”) However, nothing actually happens at the time an ability triggers. Each time a player would receive priority, each ability that has triggered but hasn’t yet been put on the stack is put on the stack. See rule 116.5. #
May 30, 2018 9:39 a.m.