Conjurer's Closet/Act of Treason
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Posted on April 18, 2013, 5:04 a.m. by KaraZorEl
I'm trying to figure this one out...
Conjurer's Closet says exile a creature you control, then return it to the battlefield. This happens during your end step.
Act of Treason says gain control of target creature until end of turn.
So with these two together, is it possible to keep a creature you gained with Act of Treason permanently since it changes zones, or does the beginning of the end step return the creature to my opponent's control?
That is incorrect. By flickering the creature, you gain control of the creature permanently. the effects of Act of Treason will have fallen off the card because it has been exiled. On return the game treats the creature permanent as a new entity. It is the same reason why flickering Aurelia, the Warleader with Cloudshift /Ghostly Flicker will produce additional attack phases.
April 18, 2013 6:58 a.m.
Yes, you get to keep the bounced creature indefinitely.
Since you control both effects, the one from Act of Treason and the one from Conjurer's Closet you can choose to order them in which ever order you wish. Conjurer's Closet specifically states that you return the creature to the battlefield under "your control," it does not say "under it's owners control." When the creature returns to the battlefield it is an entirely new permanent with no "knowledge" from it's past self. That means it is no longer effected by the "end of turn" clause on Act of Treason because it is not the same creature that you took using Act of Treason .
Hope that helps.
April 18, 2013 7:02 a.m.
ShadowLand says... #5
Wow, I stand corrected. My fault for the misinformation, thanks for making me learn something new today as well.
April 18, 2013 7:18 a.m.
I had never actually thought of that interaction until this thread. It could be really fun in an EDH I am working on.
April 18, 2013 7:42 a.m.
ShadowLand says... #7
I am going to put that to use immediately, seems like an excellent way to just take advantage of your opponents creatures. Especially if they are counting on one specific drop as a win con. And as you said, would work well in an EDH setting as well.
April 18, 2013 7:56 a.m.
It's one of the only ways you can take creatures without using blue or black (I'm looking at you, Grave Betrayal .)
April 18, 2013 8:02 a.m.
theemptyquiver says... #11
Dude. It's always there. Lurking. Mimicking. Vatting.
April 18, 2013 10:18 a.m.
Interesting...seems like a fun way to beat face in RUG colors, just steal your opponents Angel of Serenity then exile three of their things.
ShadowLand says... #2
No, with Conjurer's Closet specifically it would still return the creature to them when you pass turn. Your end step is merely the final step of your turn. Once it becomes the opponents turn the card would return to their possession, all you would gain by flickering their creature during your end step would be any trigger effects that either your other cards possess that are currently on the battlefield, or any effects the creature itself gains by entering the battlefield.
April 18, 2013 5:33 a.m.