I know she isn't cedh truly, but what do you think is the go to option for feather the redeemed? I was thinking hatebears flicker and draw to try to grind out games, with some added tech to fill in the blank spots where boros lacks good staples. Tethmos High Priest seems pretty decent. She's mid power at best, but how?

I trawled through hundreds of possibilities for feather. She's bad. Competitive or not - you'll struggle to fit much in, as she's a value engine that requires you to run protection in place of interaction. If she let you buy back path & swords hitting opposing creatures? Possibly. But as it stands, there don't seem to be many effective ways to play that atm.

Though there is something to be said about burning Stuffy Doll over & over in casual edh.

She cant be THAT bad probably second best option f,or boros (lol) but after extensive gatherer searching I've come to pretty much the same conclusion. I want a viable boros commander so bad man. They print stuff like grog and najeela, knowing how they will work in edh, but wont print a rw commander who says draw a card? I'm tired of having to pick between such terrible options. I'll probably still make a list, but it will be a gauntlet of brewing to make anything halfway viable. Worst case I'll just add colors to my kozi storm list and slap her in for just the cantrips. So close

I am honestly saddened. As someone who's never cared about Boros, I could never empathize. But man, you guys get the short end of that stick. Hope you guys get a viable general one day.

Inkmoth ydek. I have a tiana stax deck that I've been trying SO hard to make into fringe-cEDH. But it's nigh-impossible. Boros love is tough. Better yet, though I did colab on a hideous Munda, Ambush Leader that just uses her in a similar fashion to new niv. Except instead of drawing combo pieces, you use her 'any order' ability to reorganize your deck into an 80 card doomsday pile, play a draw spell and win. Not quite as good as Depala eggs, but any way to abuse boros means it's OP.

Also; ahem. As an advocate of the meme decks, I'd like to suggest both Gonti Food Chain and Depala eggs get shifted up a tier from mid power to high power. Meme decks or not, they do function... ish.

Winterblast JohnnyCRO n0bunga

Here is my Daxos the Returned deck. Like I said, I believe it is at least High Power. Check it out, give me some pointers, whatever. I will not turn away free help to make my deck better.

Epic of Daxos

The only general I was surprised to set in the "casual" category was Vela the Night-Clad. I feel like a tuned Vela deck can hang in the "mid-power" category. No?

There are just better cmdrs in Dimir, such as The Scarab God.

need a good Ramos, Dragon Engine competitive list :C

I have a relativity budget prime speaker vannifar deck Looking for soon suggestions on making it more reliable/midrange when the combo doesn’t work?

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Why isn’t the link working well here it is written out https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/03-04-19-wZo-prime-speaker-vannifar-combo/

I think Naru Meha could be at least competitive and not high power it can win on the spot and control the board with easy and it's not that clunky as teferi chain veil

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Naru Meha Competitive (Playing With Power MTG)

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@skyhaven

“Naru Meha could be at least competitive”

“not that clunky as teferi chain veil”

Yet I see ETB tapped rocks, Reliquary tower and a few other very doubtful choices (for example, I’m unsure how helpful are all these extra turns). And calling one of the best decks in the format “clunky” in the same post doesn’t make for a good first impression

JohnnyCRO

I'm working on that version.

second of all, I play Chain veil in my opinion if done correctly this could at lease give chain veil a run for its money.

and clunky might not be the best description, but it takes a lot of stack knowledge and manipulation to go off. This being a really high order not making any mistakes.

n0bunga

The ludicrous amounts of salt people throw at you when you talk about one of the top commanders... Yes I gave a bad list MY BAD but I'm working on correcting my wrong ...

First, of in my opinion, it is not an easy deck to pilot. I stated that clunky might not be the best word to describe it but, this does not change that chain veil is not an easy deck to pick up nor play...

Second, Boosting my ego? Sry but that is not what I'm trying to do here. Your words, not mine.

Third, Teferi and Naru are a completely different kind of decks. They both win on a completely different way.

I'm in no way trying to belittle Teferi. Me stating that Naru could give Teferi a run for his money still stands, but I do not disagree with that Teferi is better as a command cause of the 2 abilities, this makes him Optimal and not only Competitive.

And if people don't like it what I think sure disagree. We all are just human no need to get rude.

1) this is a list aimed at full optimization. It’s ok if you provide a suboptimal list for suggestions, but you’re submitting a list for a really high tier. Thus, a refined list is expected.

2) “clunky” isnt synonymous with “hard to pilot”. Clunky decks have robust, low utility components that get in the way of fast wins. Clunky decks are closer ro “bad decks” than to “hard to pilot decks”. This isn’t a list of “easiest to play edh decks ever”. This is a tier list. And even though making lists complicated just for the sake of it is just as bad as making them simple at the cost of power level, it’s expected for decks to be intricate. And complex lines and combos are encouraged if it makes the deck better. On top of that, Teferi is a control deck (stax/control/whatever), and control decks themselves are really hard to pilot in general. Even more so in EDH where threats are more numerous and card economy is more complicated. So implying that a good competitive control deck should be simple to pick in order to be good doesn’t make sense.

3)I won’t comment on the ego thing.

4)I agree that they’re very different. And yet you’re the one who directly compared them first without any context...

5)calling a deck “clunky” can be belittling. But nevertheless, I think that it was the fact that you used that term for one of the strongest decks in the format that enraged some and made it clear that your view of the format might be unrealistic and unreliable. No deck is above being criticised, but coming out of nowhere and calling one of the best decks around “clunky” while providing a sub-par list of a tier 3 general as an argument is not criticism. Responses to your “criticism” are only to be expected with such strong claims and weak arguments.

6)I hope this bit wasn’t aimed at me. I surely hope my remarks aren’t coming off as “rude”, for I’m honestly putting out my remarks to test my own opinions and possibly learn something new. If I turn out to be right though, that just means that my opinions created beforehand with the same scrutiny are good. I’m not interested in bashing anyone nor do I tolerate ad hominem attacks myself. I’m just criticising your arguments and conclusions honestly and transparently, I have nothing against you.

Would you like a decklist with your salt?

In the interest of healthy discussion @n0bunga & @skyhaven I think it's safe to say there's been some miscommunication.

Firstly: skyhaven posted an incomplete list with the intention of getting some recognition - it came across like they have little information about the cEDH format based on the claims made.

It's justifiable that they think it suboptimal, as the vast majority of cards are low cost in the format, and seeing a deck with an a+b plan that involves two 6-drops to win. However, they acknowledged their mistake quickly and said they're working on a better way to present their argument (likely by upgrading the decklist provided).

Secondly: skyhaven misunderstood the 'boosting' comment. After rereading this I can assure you there was no mention of ego. But the argument that naru is better than teferi (something people have spent thousands of hours collectively working on and testing) feels quite biased.

Naru is cool and there is probably a deck out there waiting to be built that shows just how cool she is.

While n0bunga is right that the posted list isn't as competitive as teferi, it feels like the reaction was a little much.

Sky, you've been given advice on what to do from here & n0bunga is it fair to say that people who aren't as well versed in the format as yourself can misinterpret something like this? We aim to accept discussion with a grain of salt.

If my writing or comments where offensive I apologise to everyone involved. they way I write needs a lot of improving, I was not trying to be hostile in any way.

about the decklist and my knowledge about cedh: it's true I'm new to Cedh and I'm always willing to learn new stuff about the format. The decklist is not what it should be and can be improved in a lot of ways, I'm trying to work on that and provide a hopefully a better list that might actually good.

CyborgAeon thanks for the third party intervention.

n0bunga I really need to reread everything i write or comment on Sry if i offended you in any way.

I've lost to Teferi enough times to say, "wut?", in the face of a comment that believes Teferi is less than what he's been placed. That commander is ridiculously strong and it shows a lack of format knowledge if you think otherwise. I have also played against 6 Naru Meha, Master Wizard decks, ones so tuned the pilots themselves are convinced they belong in cEDH, yet I've beaten them with relative ease. I would love to see a badass Naru Meha list one day, but I don't think she's there yet.

I think Adeliz, the Cinder Wind deserves a spot at mid power, if not high. I'll get to making a decklist to prove it. By no means is it competitive, but I think he's definitely good enough for at least mid power.

I tend to have a very different approach to this. I'll happily waste my time working on awful decks to try and help to reach the epitome of what a deck could realistically achieve with its' limitations & synergy.

At the end of that, I'll happily look back at the deck and go "Wow. This sucks" - at which point, it's more often than not that I'll advise them where I'd rank it; the best way to help somebody is to get them on your side.

With that in mind; I actually am interested in asking if we can get a confirmation on a few things:

Midrange Najeela is one of the top tier decks. Similar to the partners (who are actually placed in a silly number of places) I feel like there are a few other cEDH brews out there that should be recognised.

While it'd take a monumental amount of time to categorize every variation on T&T or PST, it's not unreasonable to have a short "We think Midrange Najeela is optimal for x reasons; some other styles include:" it's only small adjustments to the description, but that sort of addendum (especially on why 4c Rashmi is represented by partners in her place) would go a long way.

WhatevWorks - if you're trolling, well timed. But if not, you could read the short array of comments above, it'll really help you to uhh... how you say: not get dunked on.

CyborgAeon- yeah, that was a joke. I saw the comments above and couldn't resist

Hi, I think Demonlord Belzenlok should be moved from casual to mid power maybe high power. This commander can be turned into a one card combo from the command zone (i-e cast Belzenlok if not interrupted you win). Since you only need 6 mana go off the deck can consistently attempt to win turn 4-5. However, it does require a very tuned deck to do this. Here is a link of a decklist with the combo explained in detail: https://deckstats.net/decks/59524/1263552-one-card-combo-demonlord-belze/en