You know what? If you'll allow me to get sentimental for a moment, I'd just like to say that I think we're making some real progress, here. Saying that, of course, implies that there's an actual goal which we are progressing towards--and, while that's primarily to academically describe the Commander format--its theory and 'metagame'--in a fashion that's on par, in terms of accuracy, with the descriptions of constructed formats, I can't help but feel that we are simultaneously--and, perhaps, inadvertently--helping to promote cEDH, in terms of recognition legitimacy.

It is but one of my many personal dreams that, one day, cEDH will be a WOTC-sanctioned, REL format with a vibrant player-base and a thriving professional scene. There are many problems with this vision, of course. To name just a few, WOTC not making money off of the secondary market, fair tournament structure and organization, the reserved list, the price barrier for new-to-the-format players looking to buy in, and even things such as watchability and judging--not to mention the devaluation of the format in the sight of those who simply wish to play it casually.

It's just such a unique and diverse format, though--both in terms of literal rules and play expectations--that I really feel it deserves to be treated like a proper format in its own right. As it stands, playing EDH competitively, immensely though it may be, is worth almost nothing in terms of payoff, professional recognition, etc. I just wish that it could be--and, well, that's I contribute here, although, to be frank, my contributions have been fairly modest as compared to many of the others here, such as (of course) NarejED, who has both more experience with the format and even more passion about it than I, to be honest.

Alright--sentimentality over. Back to business.

As long as it's not too much work, I'd love to see optimized t3 lists. I personally think we should have at least some lists for t4 and t5 too, if only to set ground rules as to what that tier looks like. Also, great job team! This list looks amazing!

Commanders that still need decklists:

Azami, Edric, Scion, Teeg, Jhoira, Wanderer, Marath, Melek, Nin, Oona, Zegana, Purphoros, Riku, Shattergang, Titania.

If anyone knows of optimized or nearly optimized online decks for any of the above, please post links here. The same goes for any decks that are improvements over the decks we currently have linked. IE, the Daretti build is out of date and could use some love.

These two cobblepott lists look decent. The control version looks a lot better. Some editing could be done, e.g. more Time Warps, maybe less lands.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/edric-stax-swarm/

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/edric-control-swarm/

He's also got a Daretti list that is still sort of outdated, but less so than Paramount's list.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/20-09-15-Aov-daretti/

id like to see some tier 3 decks.

so what exactly do you judge a commander on?

Thanks for your upvote ANBUrhino!!!

So, we base the commanders on the criterions listed in the section "Tier description" in the description of the list. We use our knowledge and our experience with/against them to judge how strong they are to eastablish a fast lock/combo, depending on the archetype. Read the section for more infos.

For all of you who are waiting for tier 3 lists, I am starting to find some, I will start listing them but it will be nowhere near all the commanders.

Also I think I found a pretty tuned Johira deck that could be used for our list: Tuned Jhoira EDH by truble. What do you guyz think? NarejED never played with/against her so I have no experience and would like some more advices.

Does anyone have a fully specced out Zurgo Helmsmasher list

Question:I'm not sure I understand why Glissa, the Traitor is tier 3 while Sharuum the Hegemon is Tier 1. What am I missing that makes Sharuum so powerful and Glissa so much less that they are two tiers apart?

My Azami, Lady of Scrolls deck. It's not fine tuned but I have worked on it for a year. Just want to help out here :)

Key word here is battlefield, Jastorm. Sharuum can reanimate artifacts as large as you like without having to pay for them like glissa. Also U/W/B are much better artifact colors than G/B.

Glissa is actually a pretty strong general and it is incredibly fun to build around her ability. Also with Metalworker she can do some degenerate things. I would imagine she is tier 3 because green/black has terrible artifact support besides Birthing Pod and Demonic Tutor effects. Her strategy, while powerful in a multiplayer setting with all the passive triggers that happen, is all about grinding out a victory in the mid to late game and she needs to be on the board to matter.

Tier 1 Competitive edh is all about fast infinite combo decks that kill 3 opponents at once. Glissa doesn't facilitate any of those combos. Her best combos include Mindslaver locks and Oblivion Stone shenanighans which while hilarious/annoying don't necessarily kill the whole table. Sharuum on the other hand usually wins the second he/she? Resolves. Sharuum has great artifact support in esper and facilitates a ridiculous number of infinite artifact combos. The gap is not as big as some may think, especially after the partial pairs rule change , but Sharuum is significantly (at least a full tier) better equipped for competitive edh.

Thanks GreenGhost and Lilbrudder that does explain why they are in the tiers that way. :-)

I personally have a glissa deck, and I've had Sharuum in the past. I've found Glissa to be more competent while sharuum has being insanely broke. No one liked playing against it.

I just love the notion of Executioner's Capsule with her. its funny.

Sharuum is part of an easily assembled combo with high resiliency and multiple interchangeable pieces. In addition, her ability is extremely relevant outside of said combo. Much like Prossh, she's capable of winning the turn she's cast with certain cards or producing absurd value by herself.

Glissa, the Traitor has a fairly strong ability, but it's often hard to set up correctly. It's not every turn that you have 1. an artifact worth recurring in your graveyard, 2. a killable creature controlled by an opponent, and 3. a way to kill said creature, all while Glissa is in play herself. She also lacks an easily assembled combo like Sharuum has access to.

It's probably worth noting as well with the whole Sharuum / Glissa thing that a typical glissa build is stax based with some sort of artifact / combo win outlet. This means that a large protion of the deck is devoted to making stax work. And while stax provides control, it in and of itself is not actually a win condtion.

Sharuum on the other hand can easily run a primary combo build but still run either a completely seperate fallback combo or even switch to a combat route if her primary combo is shut down. To do this, you only need to run a small number of additional cards, causing minimal impact on the rest of the deck.

tl;dr - Sharuum gets to a win con quickly.

For the Edric decklist, why not use this list? This was used by Korvasomali in the finals of the r/CEDH tournament that was held recently. It didn't do that well in the tournament, but it's a reasonable enough list to include here.

I think that the MTGS primer for Edric would probably be better. More information is always better right?

I personally feel Optimized/up to date outweighs information. Information is great, but if it's info tacked on to a substandard deck, it's not doing anyone any good. That Edric deck looks pretty solid.

As far as I can tell, the MTGS list is optimized and up to date.

http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the-game/commander-edh/multiplayer-commander-decklists/216887-donalds-edric-spymaster-of-trest

How come Sen Triplets is tier 3? The glorious ramp of artifacts with the combination of the best removal in the game + the removal of rule 4 making their abilities more effective?

Sen triplets pulls too much hate to make them viable. And for a generic esper commander, Oloro is just better as he gives you card advantage.

You should bump Kaalia to teir one, it's ability to bring out Iona and destroy your opponent is so strong.

You may be able to destroy one opponent with Iona, but not a whole table. She is not anywhere close to Tier 1.

Lilbrudder sorry I forgot this was a multiplayer list. Kaalia is bad in multiplayer EDH, everyone is going after you as fast as possible.

No worries. Kalia would definitely be a scary 1v1 matchup lol