@smilodex "You should submit this combo to https://commanderspellbook.com"

Interesting. I have a couple of ... uh, hundred combos that I could add to that. Mostly using combo pieces from my list here: https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/edh-budget-win-conditions-list/

Kind of a niche question, but is Ranar's rating for the deck with the RIP + Blasting Station (or similar) combo?

Thanks for the tip, I think the combo was not included as there was no corresponding decklist at the time. This interaction is actually well searchable in azorius colors and the combo can even be executed step by step while a rule of law effect is on the field. Rest in Peace alone is also a very good hatepiece in the current meta because it shuts down breach combos and other graveyard strategies. A 3 card combo with one piece in the commandzone looks actually pretty decent. That would make Ranar at least a rogue/fringe competitive commander.

I tried playing a game with this deck but my library kept toppling over as there were too many cards. 0/10 =(

I wanted to build a Vadrok, Apex of Thunder deck, but I don't understand how he's in the Competitive Tier because I can't find a good list online. Can someone explain to me how this deck wins competitivly?

@Rivrek: Visit the cedh database, there is a decent Vadrok list: https://cedh-decklist-database.com/

I think Omnath, Locus of Creation should be in T1.

1. It has 4 colors, which gives it a huge card pool to play with.
2. It is a value creature, that gives you life, mana and deals with opponents (and their planeswalkers)
3. It is an outlet with Emiel or any other loop (e.g. Foodchain) that can win by drawing your library or by simply dealing infinite damage (looping dryad arbor).
4. Because of the 4c identity it is very versatile and can be super good as a evolution style, a breach focused or a sans-B foodchain list.

Thank you for listening to my TED talk.

@Eisenherz

I didn't make this list, and I am huge fan of Omnath (Locust of Rage) but honestly....I don't see a landfall commander going toe to toe with freaking Urza or Kinnan. Hell I am surprised these guys ranked it T1.5

Makes me feel optimistic redoing my landfall deck with Creation as commander (instead of Golos....too ambitious)

Commander_JAR

you are thinking of omnath in the wrong way. it is def not a landfall commander - at least in cEDH. landfall commanders are almost never viable, except for maybe tatyova. and if you build Omnath as a landfall commander, you won't have success in cEDH pods.

the landfall omnath has to be viewed mainly as additional value: gain life, add some more mana to go off, maybe even deal with planeswalkers and opponents life total from time to time, but thats all just on top of having a 4c commander, which is rare and provides absurd card quality, is an outlet in the command zone and can win through multiple overlapping lines, including dockside-loops, breach-freeze and many more....

As I play Urza (almost) exclusively and maintain both the UPS and PolyTyrant Primer, I can tell you with certainty, that any 4c cEDH deck can hold its own against any mono or 2c deck by sheer card quality.

In case you are interested in 4c Omnath and Urza, here are the links to my / our Primers:

• Urza Power Scepter https://www.moxfield.com/decks/UCZpPdZhHESE1BgFVge3OA/primer
• Urza PolyTyrant https://www.moxfield.com/decks/kes83-onUU6X_H-RyM8HPw/primer
• Omnath Rainbow Evolution https://www.moxfield.com/decks/__lFQa0Nt0ymhyYcw8v7kg/primer

@Eisenherz: Thanks for your comment. Omnath is actually one of the commanders who caused a lot of discussion. I have already played against Omnath several times, he is one of the candidates who is almost too strong for tier 1.5 but minimally too weak for tier 1. As you already mentioned, nothing has really convinced us because if I want to play evolution, then Thrasios (+ Bruse) or Kenrith is just the better way to go. The same goes for Food Chain, First Sliver or Ukkima are simply more consistent due to the black tutors and Consultation + Oracle. We'll do a few more test games when the opportunity arises, because as you say 4color is already strong from the card quality alone. We've had Omnath in Tier 1 for a while too, so we'll definitely check it out again.

Still working on my list but I think jorn definitely has potential as competitive. One of the best color combinations in sultai and a stasis lock with as little as 1 snow island. I'll updat as I get some testing done

I think I agree with most of the Strixhaven commander ratings. I will say however I'm hoping I can get Quintorius, Field Historian to be a tier 3 deck soon. I've been testing him and while a little clunky, he can do some fun things with cards like Alms and Terror of the Peaks , etc.. I'm thinking maybe if I add some Kiki combos I can get him to be TIER 3, but we shall see.

@Arcaneful: Thanks for your comment, but Quintorius, Field Historian isn't a high powered commander... Unfortunately he has none of the character traits that make him a high powered commander, except that he is a cool looking elephant :D He "just" creates some tokens without evasion and he has only half an anthem effect in Boros/Lorehold-colors. Hofri Ghostforge is just the better choice here, because of the better stats, the better anthem effect, he can double up etb/ltb triggers and he can also turn non Spirits into Spirits. I'm sure you can build a high powered deck with Quintorius, but not because of him. We judge here the potential of the commanders on it's own and together with some possible synergies but sadly Quintorius doesn't generate enough card advantage to be a high powered general.

smilodex

Hello,

I think there was a miscommunication here, most likely with my own typing and phrasing. I want him to be able to compete with high powered commanders or be able to be on that playing field. I didn't articulate that well in my comment. I understand that Ghostforge is just better, but yeah I agree that Quin sadly won't be high powered any time soon.

where are breena?

@yurixquest: The list isn't complete at the moment. We have to discuss and playtest some commanders to evaluate their powerlevel before we update it. Please be patient, we'll add more soon, but Breena will probably be between Tier 3-4.

@smilodex

It seems strange to me to suggest her at such a low power level taking into account that she is very similar to Tymna. I understand the limitation of colors and the lack of a partner, but isn't level 4 exaggerated?

Your opponents are also drawing cards, he's in Orzhov and has no partner.

Welp, @Eisenherz Omnath, Locus of Creation got promoted.

The first Sliver isnt a Titan ?!? this one im lost on

First of all great work! But there aren't every commander on the list, for example, Rick, Steadfast Leader is missing.

Nevermind, overread the walking dead info. Sorry

I think Vega, The Watcher is being overlooked in cEDH but i don't have the playgroup nor budget to test and see. There are objectively better commanders, dont get me wrong, but dramatic-scepter combo draws you your entire deck with the draw piece in the command zone, with access to white hatebears. It's no tasigur, but I think it has potential.

Vega isn't overlooked. I already saw people winning with him and he's already on the Brewer's Corner of the DB. Anyway, I'm not a big fan because outside of Dramatic Scepter, Vega has no real upside... And since Hullbreacher is a blue staple, drawing your library isn't that easy anymore.

I am curious what sort of deck people are building Kaalia of the Vast around to make her competitive. I assumed it has to do with angels and demons but then I see lists that are stax based and run at MOST two demons because those demons tutors.

So what? the typical Kaalia of the Vast build isn't good enough? ARE there aggro styles that work in cEDH or is everything just....control or infinite mana/draw/turns?