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Counterspell. Ez. No, but for real, you can Extract Food Chain if he relies on it too much. Prossh costs a lot of mana, so killing him is a decent option. Make sure he doesn't get access to Puprhorous or impact tremors. Wasteland his Gaea's Cradle if he runs it.
His best value engines are cards like Fecundity, Necro, Skullclamp, Phyrexian Arena, etc. depending on your level of play. If you get him off of draw and just 1-for-1 a lot of his most dangerous threats + advantage, he's going to be left struggling to piece together resources.
January 18, 2017 10:37 a.m.
Again, this is simply based on snap observations, so I'll defer to your judgement if you insist these issues aren't a problem, but I fear having no reliable way to get to your non-creature pieces is a big deal. As for the entirely creature-based combos, you're thinking:
- Temur Sabertooth + Wirewood Symbiote + an Elf
- Temur Sabertooth + Great Oak Guardian
- Temur Sabertooth + Quirion Ranger + Elvish Pioneer
- Temur Sabertooth + Scryb Ranger + Elvish Pioneer
These combos necessitate higher levels of power than are offered by the creatures themselves, meaning you'll need pump. None of these things individually seem all that hard to get to, but they're all multi-piece interactions dependent on other conditions. The deck's saving grace is that since you run so many one-off ways to combo, your percentage of viable lines goes up.
Overall, the whole deck looks like the jankiest competitive Animar deck I've ever seen. But who knows, I've never piloted one of these rube goldberg machines.
January 17, 2017 4:47 p.m.
The comparison was just an observation about how the two decks share a common trait in being susceptible to hands that don't do much if they don't have a proper balance of certain cards. I didn't mean offense to anyone, but if it hits people on the nose, I'm not going to lose sleep over it.
January 17, 2017 2:55 p.m.
Selvala heart of memes should definitely be t2. Her potential speed is great, but she relies on getting a right balance of cards in her opener. Not only that, being mono green hurts her potential to tutor for non creature based stuff thats needed to go off. She's also fairly commander-centric, which is never a good thing. Finally, her combos are fairly complex, reguire lots of moving pieces, and have lots of points of interaction.
I believe selvala lacks the type of consistency that's required for the tier. She reminds me of bogles in modern in that the deck can just lose it its opening hand doesnt have the proper balance of cards. Once your strategy is disrupted, you're left with with a library full of cards that have very little inherent value.
Mind you, this opinion is based on spending 2 hours with my group on discord exploring her and trying to break her. All of this is simply based on observing the cards in the deck, goldfishing, and discussing various avenues for her.
January 17, 2017 1:31 p.m.
I'm in favor of splitting up the top of the list. I would have been against it at first, but seeing lists makes the change feel fairly obvious to me.
January 17, 2017 12:14 p.m.
Played EDH from noon to 2am yesterday. My brain is so fried.
Stuff about Arbiter and Yesterday's session Show
Played Grixis Twin and Arbiter yesterday vs Animar, Karador, Freylise, Nath, Derevi, Geist of Saint Traft, and Ishai, Ojutai Dragonspeaker + Reyhan, Last of the Abzan. Every deck was tuned but some are obviously made with weaker generals. This was a pretty nice mix of archetypes across different levels of power.
I was surprised at how easy Derevi was to deal with. Answer key pieces like Yisan. You can live under things like Winter Orb without too many problems. Aven Mindcensor, Cursed Totem, and Humility did serious work against a number of decks. For combos, I was a little annoyed on a few occasions where I had the ability to play Basalt+Rings for mana and not be able to play any X-Draw spells because they weren't in hand. Staff of Domination might actually be a necessary evil... Dramatic Scepter is great, btw. I totally think it should replace Power+Grim as your secondary infinite mana combo.
Will keep testing and playing the deck.
I haven't played Sedris Twin in about 4 months, and I totally fucked up while piloting yesterday. I resolved a turn 1 Necropotence (Yussss) and went kinda nuts until I cast both Deceiver+Twin on the same turn. Yeah... No haste. Feels bad bruh.
January 15, 2017 6:09 p.m.
When I feel like shit, I like to look at gifs of foxes.
January 13, 2017 4:25 p.m.
I've been using Etherium Sculptor when I can get away with it.
January 13, 2017 10:17 a.m.
Say you're going for your combo but have to fight for it once the pieces land on the table. Someone's pointing a Beast Within at your stuff, using Chord of Calling to fetch a Reclamation Sage, or whatever. Not only are plays against you easier to make now that Helm of Awakening is on the field, it could end up backfiring tremendously if your combo is interrupted and Helm of Awakening is left on the field. Imagine how happy your opponents on Storm would be, for example.
Future Sight with Helm isn't good, because the only reason to run Helm is to be faster. Given that faster combos exist outside of future sight even in mono blue, I'd prefer to fall back on the future sight combo using the safer option.
January 13, 2017 9:56 a.m.
Meta-based call. More creature-based lists than usual, so lifeloss matters. Normally, I still wouldn't run it as I'd thin the nonbasics up a bit as protection from blood moon and I'd include Back to Basics.
January 12, 2017 8:43 p.m.
It's weird that there seems to be no one here running Arbiter, so I'm gonna drop some of my thinking over Arbiter's combos in a spoiler below. I'm going to put together this list for the day-long commander session my friends and I are going to have this Saturday. Expecting to see Animar, Karador, Tasigur, elf ball, Narset, Nath Stax, XenaGod, etc.
The current Arbiter list we've got up seems sorta iffy to me for reasons outlined in the spoiler below. I feel like I could improve it and put up list that's not based on my meta for the purposes of our example decks. I'd appreciate help since I haven't played a tuned arbiter list before. I've run the guy in shop metas before, but not at anything resembling high-level play before. This weekend's gonna be trial by fire.
Grand Arbiter Combos Show
After scouring the net for any and all possible GAAIV lists worth a damn, Ive settled on the following list of combos:
- Basalt Monolith+Rings of Brighthearth with the optional Sensei's Divining Top
- Dramatic reversal+Isochron Scepter + rocks
- Isochron Scepter+Some cantrip or other castable spell +Paradox Engine+ rocks
These combos generate infinite mana and/or draw my deck to produce lethal Blue Sun's Zeniths.
I chose to exclude the following combos:
- Future Sight+Cloud Key+Sensei's Divining Top
- Power Artifact+Grim Monolith
- Helm of Obedience+Rest in Peace
The future sight combo requires 2 slots beyond what the deck already runs, one of the pieces is an enchantment, and requires . This makes the future sight combo feel clunky and unnecessary to me.
Power Artifact has no utility in the deck, has a casting cost of , and is an enchantment. Grim monolith is a mediocre rock. Essentially Ive got more cards capable of fetching the pieces required for Dramatic reversal+Isochron Scepter, the pieces in this combo have greater utility on their own, and Isochron Scepter can even be used to combo with Paradox Engine.
One of the crucial things I'd like to point out is that the Basalt Monolith and Paradox Engine rely exclusively on artifacts in their barebones version. That makes me able to add in tons of artifact tutors and artifact hate cards, thus making most tutors I've got function very nearly like generic tutors.
January 12, 2017 5:51 p.m.
I think we have a serious problem with the list fluctuating too much. People are constantly asking for reassignments. I believe shifts should be the result of discussion and deliberation. We need to have greater involvement and really hash things out before making changes. This should also be made apparent to posters.
January 12, 2017 1:48 p.m.
@OHTHERUCKUS - It's cool. It's not the only thing you misread.
Anyway, the list is here. It's got some obvious meta-based choices, but beyond that it's fairly standard. Appreciate the help.
My friends and I tried to improve the Selvala, Heart of the Wilds deck and I just ended with a massive headache. It's got such crazy inconsistency issues and many of the cards you'd want to have a lot are untutorable. In the end, the whole thing feels like the jankiest Animar build ever.
Oh, and I'd love for this legend to exist:
At the beginning of each players upkeep, that player may search target player's library for a card and exile it. Then that player shuffles his or her library.
Whenever a spell or an ability causes you to search an opponent's library, you may draw a card.
January 11, 2017 11:10 p.m.
I'm trying to find semi-non retarded cEDH resources to use online, but there's just so much ass-fuckery that goes on that I'm getting dejected. People think that they know what they're talking about so they make primers and other content with the best intentions but it's all just shit.
Seriously though, I'm trying to put together a Grand Arbiter Augustin IV deck atm and I'm struggling to finalize what combos to run. Most arbiter lists worth a damn run the some if not all of these:
- Power Artifact+Grim Monolith
- Basalt Monolith+Rings of Brighthearth and Sensei's Divining Top for draw
- Future Sight+Cloud Key+Sensei's Divining Top
Still, they also have access to:
- Isochron Scepter+Dramatic reversal
- Paradox Engine
- Painter's Servant+Grindstone (my meta allows Servant. This combo doesn't work under humility. You could also Iona lock here.)
I'm seriously at my wit's end over what to run. Help me, people. The utility and tutor package of the deck will depend heavily on the combos I decide to run, so this is kinda what I need to figure out atm.
January 11, 2017 8:33 p.m.
Still waiting on GAAIV players. Post #316
January 11, 2017 11:48 a.m.
Once I actually need storage for decks in a better fashion, I'll use a box specifically designed to hold some number of ultra pro acrylic deck boxes. Put in with each other, they'll act as natural dividers for one another when slotted side-by-side.
January 10, 2017 9:30 p.m.
I strongly agree with Lilbrudder. The different Thrasios lists he's got are really good.
As for the whole debate on GAAIV, I still have my issues with him as he doesn't have access to an easy combo, but he's damn well positioned vs the rest of the top tier picks. One thing I don't understand is that for almost every GAAIV list I see, no one's running Idyllic Tutor. If Humility is such an awesome card and you run both Power Artifact and Rest in Peace as a combo pieces, why does no one run it? Your only way to tutor for those pieces is Enlightened Tutor or Muddle the Mixture. I get that 3 mana sorcery speed for a highly limited selection of cards isn't great, but you'd think it would warrant consideration. Still, nothing based on lists I've seen.
GAAIV players, plzerino explain.
January 10, 2017 9:22 p.m.
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