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Excellent advice, honestly what I'd ultimately like to build is Meren or Jeleva. Starting with a competent budget list and then upgrading as I find the cards.
June 11, 2018 3:27 p.m.
Thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately I've never been around a competitive crowd who actually knew what they were doing, so I've never seen a tier 1 deck played. Haha. I stomped Kaalia and Meren with it last night though. Some day I'll get in a crowd that will allow me to improve I suppose. For now I'm working on Child of Alara and buffing my mama deck, I'll keep Vela just for a mid level annoying deck I suppose. Thanks for taking the time to check it out for me. Have a good one!
June 10, 2018 9:06 p.m.
Hey, if you get some free time and don't mind, would you take a look at an EDH deck and let me know how you think it would do for me? It's been banned at 3 stores, but my area is really limited on players, basically anything that can go infinite consistently gets banned outright, I'd like to compete at a higher level, but that becomes difficult when no one will let you play a decent deck. Basically I want to know if I actually have a decent deck, or if my area is just weak as balls. Haha. If not, no worries. Sorry for the novella. :p
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June 8, 2018 3:40 p.m.
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No one owes you anything. When you're sitting down to play commander, don't assume you're going to play commander. It's as simple as that. You don't have authority on what is acceptable to play in EDH. Your brother's free to play whatever he wants in EDH. Similarly, you're not obligated to play with him if doing so makes you feel miserable.
I took a look at the deck. It's pretty clear your brother has began exploring what's powerful in EDH and is on track to improve his decks, but that deck is still not very good, especially considering its budget. I took a look at your Aurelia deck. It's pretty terrible in comparison. You could look to improve that deck and murder your brother quickly. That's one way to deal with powerful or annoying decks. Usually it's not hard to get other people on board with killing someone running a powerful deck in a group. Playing 1v3 in commander is practically impossible.
Alternatively, talk to your bro after you think about what specifically about his deck is making the experience miserable for you. There should exist some kind of middle ground where your bro can still play his curses and you get to enjoy the game as well. Maybe that's not running armageddons or something?
One thing I really urge you to do is roll with the punches a bit. One of the best things about EDH is that players have so much room to explore the game and do whatever they want. Part of that involves very powerful strategies. You should try to build decks with answering degenerate stuff in mind. Maybe your Aurelia deck should run a Tempest of Light vs your brother?
June 22, 2018 3:15 p.m.
June 22, 2018 11:51 a.m.
If budget is your concern, I'd advise you to go with Jhoira. Seton requires a bunch of 2 dollar druids you might have a difficult time getting rid of. Meanwhile, Jhoira, although more expensive in total, will leave you with a bunch of staples that are easier to get rid of later on.
June 22, 2018 7:46 a.m.
A lot of people are trying to defend Pelakka Wurm at Rare because it's very good for an uncommon. My question to these individuals is wouldn't it have been better to design some other green fatty instead? Less feel bads when opening rarity upshifted cards even if the rare ends up being a junk mythic anyway.
June 21, 2018 7:50 p.m.
A long story short, the state government where I live enacted some changes a while back without telling those directly involved. My family owns a business where we made decisions unaware of the changes and It has cost us a quarter of a million dollars by a conservative estimate. I was looking to get myself a black bordered timetwister, but that's going to have to wait.
On the plus side, I like some cards from battlebond and got myself Jaces spellbook. Those are nice.
June 21, 2018 9:58 a.m.
Maro confirmed we're not getting an Ugin and Arcades was just spoiled. They're all bad for cEDH. Sorry.
June 20, 2018 3:03 p.m.
I use Stroke of Genius as my primary infinite mana sink over Ballista as it doubles as a way to refill my hand. If I stroke myself to draw my deck, drop a Staff of Domination and then use Timetwister>Time Spiral>Timetwister to recur Stroke 3 times, I can end the board. As far as utility goes, many cards act as outlets while having far greater utility outside of combo.
June 20, 2018 12:13 p.m.
Yeah, I did. My original post was a bit short to the point it could even come across as rude. I typed up a bit more to explain my point of view.
June 20, 2018 10:11 a.m.
Playing control, outside of stax, is incredibly challenging in EDH regardless of your level of competitiveness. Savvy players will recognize they'll have a hard time against your deck if they don't take you out first. It's practically impossible to 1v3 in EDH. On top of that, 1-for-1 removal is inherent card disadvantage in EDH, so a lot of your typical control tools give you less value than you'd expect. It's for this reason that all decks in competitive EDH that have heavy control elements use combos as their finishers. It's just more reliable. It's damn hard to clock people in the face with a giant flyer while also avoiding dying and getting comboed out.
Even if you REALLY wanted to play esper in cEDH and win via damage, Zur does this better as he's a toolbox general with the ability to construct a suite of enchantments that protect him better than Newmium's ability does. In addition, he can fetch out some damn important card draw. Basically Zur's more versatile, comes out earlier, and can be safer if left unchecked.
All in all, Chromium is entirely outclassed in cEDH. Like I said, outside of REALLY liking him and trying to force him, there's no real reason to play him. Well, I guess Zur has the downside of having to allocate slots in the 99 for enchantments to make him work, but still. Even for pure control, Oloro's better.
June 20, 2018 9:32 a.m.
Aside from wanting to play Chromium, there's no real reason to play him in cEDH.
June 19, 2018 7:01 p.m.
I wouldn't take him or her too seriously. He's been here three days and the majority of his posts are pretty negative in tone. I hope we've caught him or her at a bad time and that this isn't a representation of his or her character. Who knows?
June 15, 2018 7:54 p.m.
Beacon of Tomorrows debuted in Fifth Dawn all the way back in 2004. Mind you, this was when Disciple of the Vault, Arcbound Ravager, Skullclamp, Thoughtcast, Shrapnel Blast AND artifact lands tore through standard. During that time, you either played artifacts or played something targeting them. After Fifth Dawn, we got the Kamigawa block, notorious for its lack of power and parasitic mechanics. Beacon is an ok card, but it realistically had no hope of seeing play during that Standard Era. Today, it's mostly played in EDH as the Nth extra turn spell and occasionally is used to combo with something like Mystical Tutor and Isochron Scepter.
In comparison, Nexus costs one fewer mana to cast and is an instant. That alone is notable as it's usually pretty darn hard to get that kind of effect. This naturally makes Nexus a card that's highly desirable in EDH.
At the moment, we don't know if Nexus will see Standard constructed play. Still, it's worth noting that a lot of people are eager to try it out. If it ends up seeing notable play, Nexus could become the most expensive card in Standard history.
I'd like to point out that Expropriate was recently printed in a heavily opened set and still commands a high price tag because it offers something a little bit different than most turn spells. EDh demand alone will make this card command a pretty high price. Finally, because the community is aware of these expectations, I'd wager that people will be mostly hanging on to their B-a-B promos, thus creating artificial scarcity for an already rare card.
Dick move by WotC.
June 15, 2018 4:22 p.m.
Those are minor upsides that are rarely relevant.
The fact that this is a fairly powerful card with a lot of appeal to both EDH and potentially even Standard players is what makes this problematic. If this card sees any play at all as a Standard card, it's going to demand insane prices as its a buy-a-box exclusive promo.
June 15, 2018 3:41 p.m.
A bit scummy, yeah. My friend was checking out from a local LGS while buying 10+ singles at once. Noticed his total was way off. He realized the LGS was charging him $6 for Survival of the Fittest instead of $60. This is a situation where the seller was even more responsible for pricing stuff correctly, but the person carrying out the transaction wasn't familiar with MtG. Mistakes happen and my friend was prepared to pay $60 for the card. It would have been scummy of him to take advantage of the teller keying in the price of the card incorrectly.
June 15, 2018 2:41 p.m.
Cryptic is obviously your best counter, but there are times when it's just not that great. Versus some really fast aggro decks like burn, it's just too slow. I typically cut a Cryptic, my D-Spheres, some of my high costing walkers, and some number of spreading seas vs burn, for example. The idea is that Dispel and Negate help fight their burn at a much cheaper rate. It's pretty greedy to run 4 cryptics, but it's certainly doable. One thing to keep in mind that it's actually not an amazing card in control mirrors either.
Don't stress about the mix of counters in your main too hard. The whole point is to include a lot of one-ofs that are strong in specific situations and weak in others. There's only 4 of these types of counters in the main anyways. The idea is that having a mix is better when you have snaps, makes it hard to play around a specific counter outside of Cryptic, and allows you to easily swap cards out for your sideboard.
June 15, 2018 9:22 a.m.
You're fine playing the deck without Jaces. As far as price to performance goes, he's the lowest ranking big-ticket card in the list. Search for Azcanta is way more important for the deck than Jace.
Elspeth is a fine card if you're playing against a lot of fair creature-based decks in your meta. If you resolve her vs Jund, for example, they'll have to expend insane burn or Maelstorm Pulse on her. If they can't do that, you just pump out chump blockers each turn. She can also add to your threat-density vs control. I'd say she's better in UW than jeskai. most lists that do run her have her in the side. Still, Teferi's sort of pushed her out pretty hard.
Dovin Baan is olutclassed by Narset Transcendent, Teferi, and , jace, architect of thought, and Jace the mindsculptor. He's not even on the table for modern UW control.
Don't underestimate how amazing little Gideon is. If you feel like Papa Gideon isn't for you, you can also run Ally of Zendikar. Still, I'd do 3 gideons of some kind.
One final thing to note is that Teferi excels when you can effectively use his + to untap lands that allow you to protect him. Currently UW doesn't have a great 2 mana counter to do that. We often pack singletons of Leak, Knot, Snare, and Negate, but none of those are really all that good. They're just good enough. Things get better post-board tho as always.
Teferi won't shoot up in price since he's already a cross-format all-star.
June 14, 2018 9:56 p.m.
Here's a link to my UW control list. Ignore the sideboard as it's tuned vs my very control heavy meta with no affinity and a ton of other things that make it non-representative of UW as a whole. Also, having Wall of Omens in the main is weird for most decks. Anyway...
To give you a basic rundown of UW control, the general gameplan is to sacrifice some ability to play at instant speed to get 4 spreading seas into the main. The deck can often hit manabases hard and get free wins through cutting people off of colors. In addition, we play seriously powerful walkers. Gideon Jura, often a one-of, is good vs creatures is beats down hard. Gideon of the Trials is the most flexible card in the list after Cryptic and an absolute all-star. Jace, the Mind Sculptor is great, but he's now getting some serious competition from Teferi, Hero of Dominaria. I'm currently testing one of each, but used to run 2 Jaces. These walkers help us get enough incremental value to bury people. Same applies to Search for Azcanta Flip which does insane work. The walkers help us make sure we have lots of cards in hand and can get to a point where we beat down with colonnades.
The rest of the deck is just counters, removal, wraths, etc. All the fun things to keep people from doing much. The reason we play fewer snaps is that we play fewer instants and sorceries than Jeskai as is, so they lose a bit of value.
The mainboard is very general and you're often at a disadvantage in game 1 with control decks. That being said, your percentage points should shoot up dramatically if you have a sideboard tailored against your meta. UW control probably has the biggest variations in win rate between pre and post side games in modern. Your options are just that good. And you get to cantrip through your deck with ease.
I like UW, but it's not for everyone. It used to be more common to play more at instant speed, but this build is currently favored. You can also play creatures like Walls and blink them with Restos. Some people even like Ojutai. There are options in UW, but it's more constrained than Jeskai.
June 14, 2018 9:08 p.m.
I play UW regularly.
UW and Jeskai fluctuate a ton in terms of which is considered the top dog at any given time. Of the two, UW is definitely the greedier and plays a bit more at sorcery speed. Its use of spreading seas and field of ruin make it sometimes slip into the unfair territory.
The main appeal of UW is that you get a much better mana base and take way less damage from your lands. You also have a much better late game and your cards are often more powerful on average.
Jeskai is the more flexible of the two approaches. It's got a pretty decent burn plan, can tempo people out, an has access to the same powerful late game stuff as UW when it wants to. You'll end up going to time with this deck way less than with UW.
The thing to note, however, is that there is VERY little room for error when playing control. If you're playing Boggles and miss lethal somehow, no big deal. Chances are you can get them next turn. This is definitely not the case with control. Both variants are insanely hard to master. For you to have great success with the deck, you really need to learn how to eek out percentage points in every possible direction. The control community often likes to emphasize that you'll need to put in serious hours to get good with the decks.
With that in mind and considering that meta fluctuations happen between Jeskai and UW all the time, I think it's a bad idea to pick 'the better deck.' It's much better to play whichever appeals to you.
Also, you should note that UW runs like 2 snaps on average while Jeskai ups that count. Jeskai also pays way more for lands. With that in mind, your price considerations are really out of the window, I think. Overall, the Jeskai list is more expensive.
June 14, 2018 9:50 a.m.
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