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Do you have a GAAIV list you could upload? You seem knowledgable and like you have some forward thinking ideas about the deck.
I'm very interested in seeing other ideas for cEDH
May 8, 2017 4:57 p.m.
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Human_Wizard - You're misunderstanding me. I'm not claiming Azami is ubiquitous in the format, just that she's a common point of entry into cEDH. As a result, many people have some degree of expertise when it comes to Azami and she remains a pet deck for tons of people.
Also, I phrased my comment about resolving pieces poorly. What I should have said is that for the common engine abusers, getting the engine down somehow and being able to use it without disruption should win you the game. Both Sisay and Arcum win off of one activation in a vacuum. If the opposition hasn't hit your general or the engine, they must be holding some really narrow answers they're gonna disrupt you with. The correct play seems to hit either the commander or the engine depending on what you can do.
I don't have enough experience playing with these lists to say which approach is the best. To me, it seems like Sisay has the best non-combo plan, arcum has the easiest time going off, and azami has the best protection.
May 28, 2017 10:30 p.m.
Sure, that's undoubtedly true, but if you get to resolve a combo piece and play around with it, you deserve to win anyway.
May 28, 2017 4:47 p.m.
The moment the engine was spoiled, the first thing people mentioned was her. She's an OK engine user. That's about it. Engine and Dramatic Reversal improved her game a ton, but Arcum's approach is more streamlined.
One thing that I will add though is that because cEDH is such a small community, there are lots of generals that have stagnated. For some deck, it's even clear that past lists could be improved, but no one's interested enough in doing it for anything to happen. However, for probably a 3rd of the people on this thread, Azami served as a stepping stone in their groups or they themselves piloted Azami when they were first entering cEDH. She's just a damn popular commander and lots of people play her even in cEDH. I'd be really surprised if Azami lists hadn't been explored a ton so far. Meanwhile we have generals like Rashmi, Eternities Crafter who get totally ignored by a large chunk of us.
May 28, 2017 9:42 a.m.
However, you can still play City of Brass and tap it for green if you like or put in a Scalding Tarn. Even though Scalding tarn clearly has blue and red on the card, what matters is that there are no on the card. That means the card has no color identity. It's for this reason that you can't play Temple of Epiphany in the deck.
May 27, 2017 9:56 a.m.
Taigam has no real use in GAAIV lists imo.
I seriously think there hasn't been enough exploration of GAAIV outside of BigLupu for a long while and I'm not satisfied with his list (although I must admit his latest version is miles above his past ones)
May 26, 2017 10:56 a.m.
Let's not get confrontational. I think we're all trying to add to the conversation about cEDH.
Anyway, I think putting cards in a deck that only serve combo-purposes isn't ideal but doing so is perfectly justifiable when the combo is streamlined, low CMC, easy to fetch, etc. Think about all of the different cards that go into hermit druid and boonweaver lists. Some of those pieces are vital to the combo but don't necessarily do all that much outside of the combo. Still, they're ok just because of how damn good those combos are.
Meanwhile, something like Power Artifact+Grim Monolith is not particularly great when you can achieve infinite colorless using Basalt Monolith+Rings of Brighthearth instead. In lists where tutoring enchantments is hard, Power Artifact is a terrible card. It has next to no utility outside of the combo, is damn hard to fetch, and has a replacement readily available.
There's no circular logic going on here. Think of the above Basalt Monolith+Rings of Brighthearth combo I mentioned. I love the fact that I can use Sensei's Divining Top as an optional part of that combo to draw my deck. I can even sink in a bunch of mana just into Sensei's Divining Top+Rings of Brighthearth to inefficiently draw cards at sorcery speed if I need to. The fact of the matter is that you're not always comboing out and it's generally pretty awesome just to throw the top out and have it accumulate value for you. Sure, you're not happy to expose Rings of Brighthearth on the table, but sometimes you're left in a situation where the players have checked each other and you need to make some moves.
In these moments, it really pays to have combo pieces that do things outside of the combo. Hell, just the fact that you can throw that Dryad Arbor to Food Chain is awesome and that was pointed out in a completely unrelated post just days ago.
The fact of the matter is that if you can have a card fill two functions instead of just one and suffer no repercussions, you'll take the two functions any day.
May 25, 2017 10:38 a.m.
I mean, just play Brago? Aside from that, there's Merieke Ri Berit. Blinking her is pretty good. If you want a toolbox general that can get you stuff on command, even good blink targets, there's Zur the Enchanter.
May 24, 2017 1:25 p.m.
@sonnet666 - See I'm not convinced the GSZ argument is good enough in a post-Vancouver Mulligan world. The ETB tapped + dies to deluge are notable drawbacks. Keeping openers with Arbors is often impossible. The flipside is being able to GSZ when that's in the opener. I also don't know if it's always worth shuffling away one of the better tutors in your deck just for the sake of speed if your opener looks a certain way. It might actually be correct to not T1 Zenith for the arbor and it's almost certainly a good idea to hold off on doing so past T3 since you're likely to need to get utility, advantage, pieces, or removal with it.
We're talking about small percentages here though. I don't think it's awful to go either way.
May 24, 2017 9:50 a.m.
Oh I'm aware of the potential uses of Dryad Arbor. I just keep seeing it pop up every now and then in decks where I don't think it has much value. I think the most notable example I've run into over the course of the past few years is epo's damia list. He used to run it a while back and he only had GSZ. I commented about it and he took it out. I didn't mean to make it sound like it didn't belong in the above partner deck. Looking back, that was pretty poorly placed. I should have clarified. It just reminded me of something that's irked me for years.
Maybe Dryad Arbor's just a trap that many people looking to enter cEDH fall into. Do any of you have similar experiences with any cards?
May 23, 2017 5:58 p.m.
I know this is a bit off topic, but what's everyone's opion on Dryad Arbor in cEDH? Half the time, I feel like people are only running it for GSZ and the rest of the time it's a basic with severe downsides. I feel like it's a bit too ubiquitous given it's drawbacks.
May 23, 2017 1:30 p.m.
Yeah. I used to run a Nekusar storm deck with wheels in it maybe 2 years ago and tried tuning it as far as I could take it. Before doing a bunch of revisions, I used to have Sakashima the Impostor in the deck. He did next to no work. The way the deck was designed made it so that if I could untap with Nekusar and face no insane countermagic, I'd win that turn. Taking a turn off to Sakashima Nekusar for double damage was insanely win more and I laugh at myself for not realizing it immediately back then.
May 22, 2017 4:09 p.m.
Nah. If you're going the whole wheel based storm approach, you've really got to double down on it. Taking a turn to tap 5 mana on your main phase and delaying going off by a turn is silly. If you want to ping life instead of mill, use nekusar as your general.
May 22, 2017 3:29 p.m.
Hey guys, been away for a few months. Sorry about that. Life got in the way.
Reading the comments for some time, it has become apparent to me that the longer the list stays up, the more people we have adding to the conversation. Until the general EDH crowd's knowledge base about cEDH expands (that'll probably take a long time since we have 0 good communicators), a ton of the opinions that will be posted here will be atrocious. Democracy's really not the way to go for this list. Even I don't feel comfortable talking about something like 50% of the generals out of a fear of misspeaking and spreading poor info. Meanwhile we have lots of poor quality posts get dropped here. It's almost like you're fighting against the tide. I don't know if I'm the only one feeling this way or if steps have been taken to address this. I've been pretty washed up, so I'm clueless. I just cringe at some of the things said in the last few weeks.
May 22, 2017 2:57 p.m.
There's 0 chance for a ban. There are no decks that abuse the card at all. You need to be at Tolarian Academy levels of power for you to get noticed by the RC. You should buy one asap if you're getting one. It's worth it for your deck if you play lots of enchantments.
May 18, 2017 12:19 p.m.
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