Would this work and if so how do I maximize it's potential

Asked by Grant495593 7 years ago

I play hornet queen, then I play mirror mockery on it, then I attack. I have parallel lives, panharmonicon and doubling season on the field. I believe I would chose the order of those trigger permanents except panharmonicon because it will trigger both parallel lives and doubling season. So each turn I'm getting 1 hornet copy token and 4 insecthe tokens with mirror mockery on hornet queen. When that happens parallel lives turns 1 hornet to 2 and 4 insects to 8. Then panharmonicon triggers off of parallel lives and puts 2 hornets to 4 and 8 insects to 16. Then doubling season goes off putting 4 hornets to 8 and 16 insects to 32. Finally panharmonicon would trigger on doubling season and turn 8 hornets to 16 and 32 insects to 64. So all in all if done right that's 32 hornet Queens and 512 insects (16x32). If I'm doing this right or wrong please let me know, I'm just not sure how I'd go about using all those abilities when they all trigger. Please help cause it's starting to make my head hurt. Thanks!

Colgate says... #1

Please link all the cards in question Hornet Queen, Mirror Mockery, Parallel Lives, Panharmonicon, Doubling Season

March 21, 2017 8:33 a.m.

Grant495593 says... #2

How do I link cards?

March 21, 2017 8:45 a.m.

Colgate says... Accepted answer #3

I'm not really sure what you are trying to ask, but I try to answer anyway. Only things here triggering are Hornet Queen and Mirror Mockery. Parallel Lives, Panharmonicon and Doubling Season has only static abilites. So this happens, when you attack with Hornet Queen:

You declare Hornet Queen as an attacker.

Mirror Mockery triggers. You can apply replacment effects of Parallel Lives and Doubling Season in any order, either way you end up with 4 Hornet Queen tokens.

Each one of those Hornet Queens has triggered ability and they trigger. Panharmonicon replaces each of those triggers with two triggers, so there's now 8 Hornet Queen trigger's on the stack.

Again for each trigger you can apply Doubling Season and Parallel Lives in order of your choise. Anyway you end up with 16 tokens from each trigger.

So from these triggers you get 4 attacking Hornet Queen tokens, which are exiled at end of combat and 128 1/1 green Insect creature tokens with flying and deathtouch.

March 21, 2017 8:45 a.m.

Colgate says... #4

Use double brackets.

March 21, 2017 8:46 a.m.

Boza says... #5

Hornet Queen, Mirror Mockery, Parallel Lives, Panharmonicon, Doubling Season. Please link your cards by using double square brackets.

The answer is "entirely too much" and if your opponent/s do not have a mass removal spell, they should give up.

The easy answer is - Season and lives are replacement effects, which modify how triggers and spells resolve. They do not trigger, nor are their at any point on the stack.

0/ You attack with HQ, enchanted with Mirror Mockery.

1/ Mirror mockery triggers, attempting to put a HQ token into play.
2/ Lives and season modify this event 122 = 4 HQ tokens. You can choose in which order you apply the replacement effects, but the end result will be the same, since they do the same thing.
3/ 4 HQ tokens enter the battlefield.
4/ They have 4 ETB triggers total, which Panharmonicon doubles to 8.
5/ 8 triggers attempt to create 4 tokens each, which lives and season quadruple to 16 each.

End result - 5 HQs (4 tokens waiting to be exiled EOT) and 128 tokens.

Edit: above answer is entirely correct, I was a bit wrong in my math.

March 21, 2017 8:50 a.m. Edited.

Colgate says... #6

4 quadruple to 16 not 32.

March 21, 2017 8:53 a.m.

cklise says... #7

One correction to Colgate's answer: the Hornet Queen tokens do not enter the battlefield attacking. That isn't the way Mirror Mockery works.

March 21, 2017 12:08 p.m.

Colgate says... #8

cklise, true. I should read cards more carefully.

March 21, 2017 1:33 p.m.

Neotrup says... #9

One extra correction: Panharmonicon doesn't replace the triggered ability with two of it, it causes it to trigger an additional time.

March 21, 2017 3:38 p.m.

Colgate says... #10

When there is one of it, it adds up to two of it.

March 21, 2017 4:02 p.m.

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