Supplant form on Planeswalkers
Asked by pedroedmarcos 6 years ago
So, If I use Supplant Form on a planeswalker like Sarkhan or Gideon while they're creatures, does my copy is indestructible forever? Or it will be exiled at the end of my turn or something else?
scotchtapedsleeves says... #2
Adding to my earlier response, I was just reading older rules questions and I found this. The first response talks about how Gideon is still a planeswalker and Sarkan is no longer a planeswalker. I would assume that this either means that you can't target Gideon, or Gideon turns back into a Planeswalker because he is still technically a planeswalker. I'm not sure if this would happen but with Gideon, the "until end of turn" clause might disappear and he might have permenant P/T and indestructable. Not sure about that but that's my take on it. Good question! Wondering what others will say! I might be completely wrong but that's my take on it
March 24, 2018 11:19 p.m.
When you copy an object, you only copy certain characteristics about the object.
Gideon of the Trials's becoming a creature is not a copiable characteristic--as such, you'll get a token of an untransformed Gideon of the Trials with 3 loyalty counters.
Rule 706 governs copies if you're interested.
March 24, 2018 11:22 p.m.
WillowtheCouncil says... Accepted answer #4
"706.2. When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original objects characteristics"
You'll get a Legendary Planeswalker Token of the appropriate planeswalker. It will enter with the printed number of loyalty counters, and you will treat it just like a planeswalker. The 'until end of turn' characteristics of their animation abilities are not copied, just like if you copied a creature that was affected by Giant Growth, your copy would not have the extra +3/+3.
March 25, 2018 2:24 a.m.
Will Supplant Form still have a legal target then? Because it says to copy a creature, not a planeswalker.
March 25, 2018 10:15 a.m.
Yes, the target is still legal.
Any spell that targets checks legality twice: when you first declare the spell and put it onto the stack, and when the spell resolves.
At the time you put the spell onto the stack, Gideon would be a legal target. At the time the spell resolves, Gideon would still be a legal target.
That the spells effect produces something other than a creature is irrelevant.
March 25, 2018 10:52 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #7
A copy effect only copies what's written on the original card, plus the results of any other copy effects that are changing what the original card looks like. It doesn't copy anything else. In your example you just get a normal planeswalker copy of whatever you targeted (which is still really good!).
scotchtapedsleeves says... #1
I believe the token stays as the creature as it's copying the creature form of the planeswalker. I'm not entirely sure of the ruling but I'm pretty sure that it would stay as the creature.
March 24, 2018 11:05 p.m.