Avacyn and Silumgar - does it transform?

Asked by Boza 8 years ago

Lets say that I play a Dragonlord Silumgar and take control of the opponent's Archangel Avacyn  Flip.

After that, the opponent plays a Lightning Axe on Silumgar, reverting control of Avacyn.

Will Avacyn transform next upkeep, provided nothing else happens?

Raging_Squiggle says... Accepted answer #1

Yes she will. When Silumgar dies he triggers her fifth ability, creating a delayed triggered ability on her. That DTA doesn't care who controls her when it triggers at the next upkeep.

April 22, 2016 9:04 a.m.

GearNoir says... #2

The only think I could find that might answer this is in the Gatherer rulings.

Archangel Avacyns delayed triggered ability triggers at the beginning of the next upkeep regardless of whose turn it is.

This in combo with the card's stated text leads me to think that Avacyn will return under your opponent's control and transform on the next upkeep.

April 22, 2016 9:16 a.m.

Boza says... #3

I was thinking that since silumgar has a duration-defined ability, rather than a trigger, does that affect the answer to this one.

Since control reverts as soon as he is off the battlefield, I assume as a state-based action, does avacyn still trigger during the SBA checks that do that?

April 22, 2016 9:27 a.m.

Rhadamanthus says... #4

@Boza: Because a "dies" trigger is a type of "leaves the battlefield trigger" it uses last-known-information from the moment right before the object left the battlefield to determine if and how it triggers. At that time the same player controlled both Avacyn and Silumgar, meaning Avacyn's last ability would trigger for Silumgar dying.

April 22, 2016 12:50 p.m.

Boza says... #5

Ok, thanks, all cleared up!

April 22, 2016 3:49 p.m.

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