Are there any attributes other than text changing or colours that aren't remembered by copied spells?
Asked by Yesterday 6 years ago
So if one were to cast a Twincast targeting a Bring to Light, the copy of the spell would have no colours of mana spent to cast it. Similarly, an overloaded Mizzium Mortars that's copied isn't overloaded.
Are there any other attributes that aren't copied over to copied spells (whether those copies are cast or otherwise)?
There wasn't really anything specific, I appreciate an open-ended question like this might be a bit annoying, just that I recall both of those instances being a surprise to me the first time I encountered them. Actually, I do remember there being something odd about a copied Fling or something similar (beyond the simple effect of a non-cast copy remembering the additional cost of the creature), but I can't remember the example.
"... which results in the text change being applied to the copy, even though the text change was not itself copied"
Sorry what?
April 11, 2018 5:15 a.m.
Rhadamanthus says... #3
A copy of a spell will also copy decisions about alternative costs and additional costs, as well as information about objects used to pay costs. That's why a copy of an overloaded spell will be overloaded, a copy of a kicked spell will be kicked, and a copy of Fling uses the power of the creature sacrificed for the original. If you want to see more detail, 706.10 in the Comprehensive Rules is about copying spells.
April 11, 2018 9:49 a.m.
702.95a Overload is a keyword that represents two static abilities that function while the spell with overload is on the stack. Overload [cost] means "You may choose to pay [cost] rather than pay this spell's mana cost" and "If you chose to pay this spell's overload cost, change its text by replacing all instances of the word 'target' with the word 'each.'" Using the overload ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2fh.
So you Mizzium Mortars for it's overload cost, so it effectively reads:
Mizzium Mortars deals 4 damage to target creature you don't control.
If you chose to pay this spell's overload cost, change it's text by replacing all instances of the word 'target' with the word 'each'
(And some other text that won't be relevant)
You the apply the text changing effect in Layer 3, so it now reads:
Mizzium Mortars deals 4 damage to each creature you don't control.
If you pay this spell's overload cost, change it's text by replacing all instances of the word 'each' with the word 'each'
(And some other text that won't be relevant)
You then cast Twincast on the Mizzium Mortars:
The copy is effectively textless to start, but then we hit Layer 1 which applies the copy effect:
Mizzium Mortars deals 4 damage to target creature you don't control.
If you chose to pay this spell's overload cost, change it's text by replacing all instances of the word 'target' with the word 'each'
(And some other text that won't be relevant)
The text changing effect wasn't copied, but the text changing ability was. Because choices made during the casting of the original spell are copied over, when we ask "was this overloaded?" we get the answer "yes." Now we look at Layer 3 again and the spell's text changes to:
Mizzium Mortars deals 4 damage to each creature you don't control.
If you pay this spell's overload cost, change it's text by replacing all instances of the word 'each' with the word 'each'
(And some other text that won't be relevant)
So even though text changing effects aren't copied, it doesn't matter for overloaded spells, they still say 'each.' When text changing effects on spells would not be copied would be if someone cast Sleight of Mind.
Neotrup says... Accepted answer #1
Choices made on resolution aren't copied, as they haven't been made yet (even if they've been preemptively announced). If I cast Apostle's Blessing choosing green, then you Twincast it, you can choose a different color. Also, because you responded, I can choose a different color, and will know what you chose when I choose.
Also, a copy of an overloaded spell does not copy the text change, but it does copy the alternative cost, so it is overloaded, which results in the text change being applied to the copy, even though the text change was not itself copied. A copy of an overloaded spell still doesn't target.
Is there something specific you're wondering about being copied over?
April 10, 2018 6:45 p.m.