New Gideon in Ad Nauseum

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Posted on April 7, 2017, 9:24 a.m. by jamesfiek

So I saw the new Gideon 'Ultimate' and immediately thought ad nauseum It is another way to spend as much life without losing and only costs 3 mana. There are two problems with this, but I am not yet sure how bad they are yet, he dies to Lightning Bolt and he is double white which may not be super problematic. It is basically could potentially replace Phyrexian Unlife. Discuss

AngryKitten says... #2

I have never run an Ad Nauseam deck but from what I do know it just seems like a worse Phyrexian Unlife. Yeah, you can flip more cards if you want but I'm not sure that is worth the downsides you mentioned.

I can see it being run if you want to use his other abilities for some reason or you want more than 4x Phyrexian Unlife.

April 7, 2017 10:27 a.m.

AlexoBn says... #3

Why not Angel's Grace?

April 7, 2017 11:36 a.m.

jamesfiek says... #4

It runs both Angel's Grace and Phyrexian Unlife

April 7, 2017 12:13 p.m.

thunderlicous says... #5

I can answer why it could be run, but I'm not sure yet if I would want to. New Gideon is essentially a fog for decks that try to burst us with one large creature, say a Death's Shadow or something along those lines. The way Ad Nauseam plays, we don't have to have the emblem immediately, so we can plus Gideon until we want/able to go off. This is especially relevant since we will play our unlife to try and survive multiple turns, and new Gideon promotes this as well. I think I could see 2 in the side for things that I don't necessarily want Phyrexian Unlife for, like the rogue infect player or the Death's Shadow decks that could burst us down through the unlife, but I don't think this will make much waves. Also, double white is not a problem for most lists now, as we try to run white as much as possible since we have Pentad Prism and Lotus Bloom to get our black for Ad Nauseam.

April 7, 2017 2:57 p.m.

Epochalyptik says... #6

Is this in relation to a particular format?

April 7, 2017 4:04 p.m.

thunderlicous says... #7

The majority of my experience comes from playing the deck in modern, I'm not exactly sure how well it would do in a legacy/standard format, but I think for modern, it could make it into the side of some decks for sure, both as a enabler for Ad Nauseam and a counter to it and U/R Gifts storm, especially if it keeps rising as the premier "all-in" combo deck.

April 8, 2017 12:22 a.m.

EpicFreddi says... #8

I'd play him in Mono-W Humans where I already play 2 gideons, thus making it 3. Should be no problem to keep the emblem alive.

April 8, 2017 5:39 a.m.

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