New edh format??
Commander (EDH) forum
Posted on March 22, 2018, 10:50 a.m. by shadow63
Sorry if this is a double post.
Wotc is trying to make standard commander which kind of defeatsthe whole point of playing edh. Anyone thinks this is a good idea? I think it's stupid. If there where to be a new edh format want would you like to see ? I would like to see something where only stuff with the modern card frame is legal or something similar
Seems fun but now we have so many EDH variants its getting kinda ridiculous...
- Brawl
- Tiny Leaders
- 3DH, 2DH, 1DH
- Pauper Commander
- Canadian Highlander
- 1v1 Commander Online
- Un-Commander
Probably even more I can't think of. I'm going to just stick to plain old EDH I think. Not sure if anyone around me will build decks for this yet. I don't want to have to worry about keeping a deck legal through rotations either, that's one of the best things about EDH for me. Deck building is time consuming and expensive. I love slowly improving a deck over years. Although im excited this format could make it to arena.
March 22, 2018 11:30 a.m. Edited.
SteelSentry says... #4
The problem with Brawl is, you can just play a Brawl deck in a regular EDH game. I've seen it done, and I've been beaten handily by a Standard-legal Rashmi, Eternities Crafter deck. It seems like it's misguided at best or dividing the playgroups at LGS at worst.
March 22, 2018 11:45 a.m.
Epochalyptik says... #5
Commander's nature as an Eternal format was a large part of the appeal for me, personally. I'm not enthused by the idea of a pool-restricted version that rotates constantly. But I guess other people may be.
I agree with the above posts regarding there already being "too many" variations of the format. Seems like everyone wants to create a variant the moment they encounter something they don't like about the original. You see it all the time in forums.
March 22, 2018 11:50 a.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #6
The rumor I heard had brawl as a 60 card singleton format with a commander. However there would be slightly different rules involved.
I think it makes way more sense at 60 cards since it would be hard to fill out a decent 100 card deck with just standard cards.
March 22, 2018 12:05 p.m.
Here's the article about it from the mothership.
TL;DR: 60 card singleton; 30 life.
March 22, 2018 1:07 p.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #8
Don't forget with a commander and legendary walkers can be commanders.
March 22, 2018 1:37 p.m.
I'm medium on Brawl. Having a limited cardpool seems interesting, as does official support for having Planeswalkers as commanders. Keeping up with rotations is somewhat annoying but I think rotations are far enough apart and it's a singleton format anyway, so the investment isn't going to be huge. But I am wondering how much support this is actually going to have, because we'll have Standard and Casual Standard now. And I'm not sure if this will satisfy that same long, social game niche that Commander satisfies for me. But as a gateway format it may work? I also wonder how well four or five player games of Brawl will work, or if it's better as a 1v1 format.
Really I think that cdkime is correct. When I first heard about this my initial thought was that this was a format they actually created for Arena to give people more options to play and have even singletons of cards be useful outside of those in the top Standard decks.
March 22, 2018 1:43 p.m.
I wouldn't label Brawl as an EDH variant. It is more of a standard variant because as someone else said EDH is an eternal format.
March 22, 2018 2:19 p.m.
LittleBlueHero says... #11
According to the article its meant to be played with 4 to five people and I think this will be a great compromise for people like me who have part of a playgroup that love commander and another part that hate super long drawn out games... this could be just what we needed. Commander gameplay that SHOULD be quicker and more accessible to players that don't have collections dating back to revised.
March 22, 2018 5:30 p.m.
I've been thinking about this more....
The commander precons are currently the main roadmap to EDH for most beginners. Having everyone use only standard legal cards for EDH is yet another way for magic beginners to get started playing EDH. I get it, mixing standard and commander is conceptually a home run. But I'm not excited personally.
I've been a magic player for decades and so its much easier for me to build EDH decks with my collection than for a beginner. Its easy for me to take my deck building resources for granted. Getting new people playing magic is good. Is it likely to overcome or even equal normal EDH in popularity? Not likely. It might split up commander play groups at LGSs and online a bit though, which isn't good to me so much. Does it seem fun? Yeah probably, Magic is fun, especially multiplayer. I doubt I'll build any Brawl decks right away but maybe eventually. If its popular enough to find players easily I might.
Brawl decks vs normal EDH is an intersting idea too, since 60 cards vs 100 makes a huge advantage in consistency for the smaller deck. But with a limited card pool including no old broken cards it probably doesn't break anything much. I expect there isn't going to be too much crossover playing once (if) enough people have Brawl decks to have separate games.
I think its going to be like tiny leaders and frontier. Hot today, cold tomorrow. If I'm wrong and I'm brawling in six months that wouldn't surprise me much either. I'm addicted to deck building so why not?
For the record I think basing card legality for any format on its card frame seems arbitrary and pointless. Especially in a world with so many card frame variations on promos and altered artwork on cards the frame couldn't be more irrelevant to game play. Its like not wanting to play cards that have even collectors numbers or something. So I'm kinda glad they are just using standard legality to define the format as opposed to card frame. Even though I prefer eternal formats in general.
March 22, 2018 6:36 p.m.
Well any thing with the modern card frame rule would cover the edh pre cons conspiracy all modern cards masters sets offering a deep card pool without having to worry about facing the power nine and some other boring and broken cards. I know people play edh to use broken cards. But I didn't know it was only 60 cards that makes the format more appealing
Caerwyn says... #2
Do you have a link? I'd be curious to read what Wizards has to say.
Here is why I think it is a good idea:
Many newer players are drawn to standard/purchasing and opening packs. Standard commander will give these players a gateway into the commander format--they already will have many of the cards, which reduces the price barrier to entry.
It is disheartening for a new player to see how much junk they open in their packs. A singleton format will mean players are more likely to open a card they might use. After all, when you can't run four copies of Fatal Push, you're going to need to use some less efficient removal.
Magic Arena, the upcoming MTG online system, is going to be focused on standard, and will not have all the cards added. Standard Commander could easily be a format they introduce in that game--there might as well be a paper equivalent.
Dominaria is going to be heavily focused on legendaries--but many of these creatures will not be competitive in either Standard or regular EDH. A new format gives them a niche location.
This might encourage more people to buy packs, as even the otherwise junk cards might have value. Increasing profits is always a good thing.
There's really no downside. If the format fails, it fails.
March 22, 2018 11 a.m.