Will Primal Vigor trigger when Aeve, Progenitor Ooze's storm trigger goes off?
Asked by CamraMaan 3 years ago
I understand that Doubling Season will not double the tokens created by Aeve, Progenitor Ooze, but will Primal Vigor...? My guess is no, but I'm unclear on it. My assumption is that the token copies are not being "created" (text from Gatherer), but rather ETB from the stack as if being cast. Correct...? As far as I can tell, copying the storm trigger on Aeve is the only way to double the number of tokens, or am I missing any other ways to do it...? Thanks in advance! :)
It will not work. Primal Vigor functions off creating tokens, as it's relevant oracle text is as follows:
If one or more tokens would be created, twice that many of those tokens are created instead.
The full rule @Polaris mentioned specifies the tokens are not created:
608.3b If the object that's resolving is a copy of a permanent spell, that object becomes a token permanent and is put onto the battlefield under the control of the spell’s controller. It is no longer a copy of a spell. The token put onto the battlefield this way is not "created" for the purposes of any replacement effects or triggered abilities that refer to creating a token.
Polaris says... Accepted answer #1
In this case, Primal Vigor will work. "Create a token" is just a modern wording for "put a token onto the battlefield under your control." I had to look up whether a copy of a permanent spell resolving as a token counts as putting a token onto the battlefield (since casting a card and putting a card onto the battlefield are two different actions), but according to rule 603.8b, a resolving copy of a permanent spell counts as a token being created/put onto the battlefield.
608.3b If the object that’s resolving is a copy of a permanent spell, that object becomes a token permanent and is put onto the battlefield under the control of the spell’s controller. (emphasis added)
The reason Doubling Season wouldn't work is that an "effect" isn't creating the tokens, they're being created by a permanent spell resolving.
January 18, 2022 9:02 p.m.