Geist of Saint Traft questions..

Asked by Crash308 12 years ago

I have two questions

1. If Geist of Saint Traft dies, does the Angel token stay? Because technically the sac ability written on the Geist cannot occur.
2. Can a creature with hexproof be countered?

I know both questions are nooby Magic questions but I really don't know with either

GoblinsInc says... Accepted answer #1

1. No. The ability that makes the angel sets up a delayed triggered ability. At the appropriate time it will trigger, and when it resolves it will exile the angel token. This is not tied in to the Geist's existence, once the original ability has triggered.
2. Sure. Like most abilities, hexproof only functions on the battlefield, and won't stop the creature spell from being targetted.

June 22, 2012 9:04 a.m.

shawnsullivan8371 says... #2

if you cloudshifted the token would it stay on the battlefield?

June 22, 2012 7:33 p.m.

2austin5 says... #3

No, the token would die, it is the same concept as Vapor Snag ging or bouncing in general, once it leaves it is gone unless otherwise stated

June 22, 2012 8:20 p.m.

NobodyPicksBulbasaur says... #4

Since a token is not a card, it ceases to exist as soon as it is removed from the field for any reason. As such, it has no way of returning.

June 23, 2012 10:28 a.m.

zandl says... #5

Right. When a token leaves the battlefield, even if for just a moment (Cloudshift ), it's gone forever.

June 23, 2012 1:03 p.m.

bcurran says... #6

You're on to something with 2, though.

In this particular case, it doesn't work because tokens cease to exist if they are outside the battlefield when state-based-actions are performed, and can't return to the battlefield if they leave.

However, you can do other tricks like it by Flicker ing things.

Threaten a creature. Then Cloudshift it. You nowhave control of it indefinitely. Same for Gruesome Encore .

June 23, 2012 3:23 p.m.

likasumbody says... #7

I believe if you use Sundial of the Infinite it will allow you too keep your token. Not sure though.

June 24, 2012 1:12 a.m.

GoblinsInc says... #8

Yes, sundial while the exile trigger is on the stack can keep a geist's angel token.

June 24, 2012 1:25 a.m.