Enduring Renewal's "put into your graveyard from the battlefield" trigger when infinitely comboing out.

Asked by StopShot 7 years ago

Hi all. I have a question about specific card interactions and rulings, but I want to give some context first. I'm playing a EDH deck and I'm thinking about putting in the infinite damage combo Enduring Renewal + Memnite + Goblin Bombardment in it. My deck already runs infinite damage combo's that already use the key piece Goblin Bombardment such as Animate Dead + Leonin Relic-Warder , Fiend Hunter + Sun Titan , Nim Deathmantle + Su-Chi .

My question is would an Enduring Renewal on my side of the battlefield ruin any of these other infinite damage combinations? For example I know if I have the infinite damage combo Goblin Bombardment + Karmic Guide + Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker if I have an Enduring Renewal on my side of the battlefield the combo would be disrupted no matter how I attempt to stack the triggers and it would fail to do infinite damage.

But I don't know if an Enduring Renewal on my side of the battlefield would disrupt any of the other following combo's from doing infinite damage: Fiend Hunter + Goblin Bombardment + Sun Titan , Animate Dead + Goblin Bombardment + Leonin Relic-Warder , Goblin Bombardment + Nim Deathmantle + Su-Chi .

Enduring Renewal's trigger occurs "whenever a creature is put into your graveyard from the battlefield." Fiend Hunter and Leonin Relic-Warder's triggers occurs "when [this creature] leaves the battlefield." Su-Chi's trigger is a "dies" trigger. So I guess to boil down the question as to it's simplest terms:

TL;DR: Does "whenever a creature is put into your graveyard from the battlefield," "when [this creature] leaves the battlefield," and "when [this creature] dies" all trigger at the same time or do these all happen in a specific order? If I control all triggered abilities would I be able to choose the order in which each one specifically triggers on the stack?

(Bonus Question: Presuming the Enduring Renewal does ruin the Fiend Hunter + Goblin Bombardment + Sun Titan infinite damage combo, would the Fiend Hunter + Goblin Bombardment + Swift Warkite inifinte damage combo still work considering Swift Warkite can pull a creature from either my graveyard or hand onto the battlefield and that Enduring Renewal would put the Fiend Hunter back in my hand?)

Thank you for the help and I hope my question isn't too complex or long to ask of.

StopShot says... #1

Also, I know that the Su-Chi combo would still work either way, but the Enduring Renewal combo-path involves re-casting Su-Chi which raises the threat of counter spells which is something I'd prefer to avoid if given the chance.

October 4, 2016 12:31 p.m.

BlueScope says... Accepted answer #2

Your "tl;dr" was a bit too concealed by the other couple of pages of text around it - please condense your question next time ;) In general, this question would be a lot easier to read had you left out the entire combo descriptions and simply asked about the trigger handling...

Does (...) all trigger at the same time (...) ? If I control all triggered abilities would I be able to choose the order in which each one specifically triggers on the stack?

More or less, and yes. "When (...) leaves the battlefield" triggers before "When (...) is put into a graveyard", but that doesn't matter, as they'll be put on the stack at the same time. Because you control all abilities, you get to choose the order of the triggers as you described. Once you return the creature in question, it won't be in the graveyard anymore, so Enduring Renewal won't find it and do nothing when it's ability resolves.

October 4, 2016 1:05 p.m.

StopShot says... #3

Thank you, and also thank you for mentioning how to format a better question.

October 4, 2016 1:22 p.m.

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