Does Roaming Throne double offspring tokens?
Asked by kryophyre 8 months ago
If I have a Roaming Throne out with "Lizards" as its chosen type, and I play an Agate Instigator with its offspring cost, do I get two 'baby' instigators?
And if I do, will the babies see each other enter and each trigger twice? Or do I only get the EtB triggers from the 'parent' instigator?
Crow_Umbra says... #2
Damage wise:
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Parent Agate enters, and Offspring cost was paid, creating an additional Offspring token from Roaming Throne.
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Two Offspring tokens ETB. Parent "sees" 2 tokens enter and triggers for 1 damage each, plus the additional triggers from Throne for a total of 4 damage.
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Two Offspring "see" each other enter for 2 damage each off the additional Throne trigger = 4 damage, for a total 8 ETB damage this turn.
Stuff like Panharmonicon would also give you additional Offspring tokens since they are created when the Parent enters after paying the cost, as well as additional ETB damage triggers.
December 26, 2025 1:41 p.m.
This answer is almost correct, but the offspring aren't both able to see eachother. Offspring will trigger twice, so the first trigger will resolve creating a token, triggering the original twice. Once both of these new triggers resolve the other offspring trigger will resolve, triggering the original and the first kid twice each. The end result is 6 damage, as the first kid saw the second, but the second kid did not see the first. This is different from Immortal Servitude because in that case both creatures would enter at the same time, but with two offspring triggers they'll resolve on at a time.
December 26, 2025 1:51 p.m.
Crow_Umbra says... #4
Thank you for the clarification Neotrup. I had a similar-ish scenario with Agate Instigator in a game a few months ago.
December 26, 2025 1:53 p.m.
Thanks both of you! That certainly clears it up. If the answer for he thread is spread amongst a bunch of posts, should I like, summarize it in a new comment and mark that one? Since the first answer has most of it, but is incorrect about the 'kids' seeing each other.
December 26, 2025 5:58 p.m.
Yes, Roaming Throne doubles the number of offspring tokens produced.
BUT the additional tokens enter one at a time. So the 'parent' sees 'child 1' enter. Then both 'parent' and 'child 1' see 'child 2' enter. Resulting in a total of 6 EtB triggers if Agate Instigator is offspringed with Roaming Throne on the field.
Crow_Umbra says... #1
Hi there, to answer the various parts of your question:
Since Offspring triggers when the creature enters (if the Offspring cost was paid), you will create an additional token, since Roaming Throne will make it trigger an additional time, including the Enters damage trigger.
This article can help detail a bit more regarding the simultaneous Enters triggers for the Offspring copies, but TL:DR - They will see each other enter.
The example laid out in the article-
"Let’s be casting Immortal Servitude for X=1, and we’re yanking four copies each of Soul Warden and Soul's Attendant. Each of those 8 creatures 'sees' the other 7 enter alongside it… and in this case, trigger appropriately. So for each Warden, you have 3 triggers from other Wardens, and 4 triggers from the Attendants. And for each Attendant, you have 3 triggers for the other Attendants, and 4 triggers for the Wardens. That’s 56 triggers gaining you 1 life each"
So your Offspring will see each other enter, and each also have their Enters damage trigger go off again thanks to Roaming Throne.
December 26, 2025 1:29 p.m.