Cream of the Crop, Aurochs Herd & Karametra, God of Harvest, which resolves first
Asked by Aftertherevolution 7 years ago
I've 2 enchantments on the battlefield. Cream of the Crop & Karametra, God of Harvests.
I cast a creature spell: Aurochs Herd.
Assuming no other spells are cast, do I get to choose which of these resolves first? They all have slightly different language so am unsure.
I would like it to resolve like this:
Resolve Karametra, God of Harvests, search for a land, and then shuffle library.
Resolve Aurochs Herd and search for an Auroch, then shuffle library.
Resolve Cream of the Crop, look at top x cards, put 1 on top and rest on the bottom.
I think that it would happen like this:
Auroch Herd is put on the stack and therefore is 'cast'
Karametra, God of Harvests triggered ability is put on the stack. It resolves before anything else happens.
As it resolves Auroch Herd enters the battlefield and triggers both it's and Cream of the Crop effects.
I can choose which of the two go on the stack first, so I could resolve the Aurochs first and Crops second.
Do I have this right?
You are entirely correct in your assessment. As you implied but did not state, the ability of Karametra will resolve before the creature, so that search will always happen first, but you do get to choose the order on the other two.
January 18, 2017 2:14 p.m.
Aftertherevolution says... #3
thnx for the assurance both. guess I can't give them both marked as answer. :)
January 18, 2017 11:42 p.m.
Aftertherevolution says... #4
For the bonus... let's say I also have Dictate of Heliod on the battlefield. Would we be looking at 4 or 6 cards for Cream of the Crop
Is this how it would work?
- Auroch Herd is put on the stack and therefore is 'cast'
- Karametra, God of Harvests triggered ability is put on the stack. It resolves before anything else happens.
- As it resolves Auroch Herd enters the battlefield and immediately receives the +2/+2 from Dictate of Heliod and then it triggers it's own and Cream of the Crop effects.
- I can choose which of the two go on the stack first, so I could resolve the Aurochs first and Crops second.
- When Crops is resolved, Aurochs is a 6/6 creature and so 6 cards are looked at.
January 18, 2017 11:54 p.m.
Exactly, Cream of the Crop looks at the power of the creature as it resolves, so if your opponent responded with Death Wind and killed the Aurochs Herd you would look at 0 cards instead of 6. Also, the way Dictate of Heliod works, the Herd enters as a 6/6 so anything that triggers based on the size of the entering creature works off that.
January 19, 2017 3:06 a.m.
Aftertherevolution says... #6
Ok that makes sense I think.
For clarity, cause the stack is both logical and mysterious at times ;)...
- When Aurochs Herd is cast, it goes on the stack as the first card.
- Karametra, God of Harvests triggers and is placed on the stack next.
- Nothing else happens, Karametra resolves, followed by Aurochs, which now becomes a creature on the battlefield. The stack is empty.
- Because of Dictate of Heliod, Aurochs is a 6/6. This isn't a triggered effect so there is no stack.
- Aurochs entering as a creature triggers two effects, and I place Creams effect first on the stack, followed by Aurochs.
- My annoying opponent responds with -6/-6 Death Wind which goes on top of the stack.
- At this point priority can switch back to me? And I could respond with another card if possible? (perhaps something to boost it's toughness)
- If nothing else happens. Death Wind resolves, reducing the Aurochs to 0. It dies.
- Aurochs Herd ability is still on the stack and resolves properly.
- Cream of the Crop resolves properly, but because it just looks at the creatures power (and not specifically at the time it entered), then it comes up as 0, and no cards are looked at.
January 19, 2017 3:31 p.m.
Aftertherevolution says... #7
In related news, my quick search for a creature that had an 'enters the battlefield' effect, has got me now quite oddly attached to Aurochs Herd ..so I guess I'll have to put an Aurochs deck together. :)
January 19, 2017 3:33 p.m.
You can respond to death wind to boost toughness, also, after Karametra's ability resolves but before Aurochs Herd does both players get a chance to respond.
January 19, 2017 7:01 p.m.
Aftertherevolution says... #9
Perhaps I should ask this separately, but it seems close enough that maybe best to leave here...
With Karametra, God of Harvests in play, and Hushwing Gryff in play as well. Would a creature still trigger Karametra?
I'm inclined to say yes as it's the casting of a creature spell, not the entering of it into the battlefield that causes Karametra to trigger.
February 10, 2017 9:59 p.m.
Aftertherevolution says... #11
:) thnx for the confirmation. Good to have as easy reference for game time.
Pieguy396 says... Accepted answer #1
Yes, you choose the order that the triggers are put onto the stack. In the event that an opponent had an effect that also cared about your creatures entering the battlefield, they would be put onto the stack after yours, so they would resolve first. (APNAP order, Active Player, then Non-Active-Player)
January 18, 2017 11:43 a.m.