The Masterpiece Series
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Posted on Sept. 12, 2016, 10:52 a.m. by ducttapedeckbox
In a nutshell, we're getting a version of Expeditions for every set. In this case, they're dubbed the Kaladesh Inventions, but are part of a larger Masterpiece Series.
They're at an even higher rarity than mythic rare, with an open rate of about 1 per 144 packs.
The Kaladesh block will have 54 of these bad boys, spread across Kaladesh and Aether Revolt. This number will vary, but stay around 50 for each block.
This series will be included in every block, with the "theme" tied to the block (i.e. all of the Kaladesh Inventions will be artifacts)
They will be almost all reprints, with the exception of a few - like how the BFZ lands were also expeditions
The reprints have to be conceivable on Kaladesh, so we won't be seeing Umezawa's Jitte in this set
They are legal in Limited and any constructed format that the cards are already legal in
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So far we have four of these: meh, eh, ooh, and DAMN!
Discuss & post new spoilers!
PistonGolem says... #3
Just as I said, Scry could help get people into legacy. Unlimited set, make lands (only legacy and vintage legal, oc) like this.
Volcanic Oasis
Dual land that taps for R and U
When ~ enters the battlefield, your opponent scrys 1.
Print into infinity and done.
October 3, 2016 6:10 p.m.
PistonGolem says... #4
Just as I said, Scry could help get people into legacy. Unlimited set, make lands (only legacy and vintage legal, oc) like this.
Volcanic Oasis
Dual land that taps for R and U
When ~ enters the battlefield, your opponent scrys 1.
Print into infinity and done.
October 3, 2016 6:10 p.m.
iAzire I'm not exactly a wizard with laws, but I think they effectively made it legally binding that they can't remove stuff from the reserved list, hence, while they theoretically can do it, they can get sued for it. Note the word "remove"- it is fine for them to add to the list, hence how they changed it before.
Regarding your statement about first edition cards, I actually agree. Other TCGs like Yugioh (which are admittedly less successful) will reprint cards until you can pick up versions very cheaply. Of course, rarities also work differently. They don't really care what rarity a card is relative to it's power level after it's initial printing- higher rarity printings of cards are seen more like the Masterpiece version of a card, albeit to a much lesser extent. To put it into perspective, Damnation uncommon, Serum Visions, IoK, Lightning Bolt common. They'd each be very cheap, but the first edition versions more expensive. You can already see this in Magic with Juggernaut, Thoughtseize, and others.
For others providing alternatives to get around outwardly reprinting these cards, it's not going to happen. Sadly, Wizards feels that it violates "the spirit" of the reserved list.
Believe me though, I want ABUR duals reprints as much as the next person.
October 4, 2016 1:38 p.m.
Why actually reprint things when they can give us lotteries in standard and make a killing?
October 4, 2016 5:28 p.m.
DarkLaw The thing is, they have removed stuff from the list before.
I still fail to see how anything they have done makes the list legally binding.
They don't completely abolish the list because they said they wouldn't, they know it will piss some people off. They don't want to anger part of the customer base.
On the other side though, the majority of customers want the list abolished. There isn't a happy medium.
I think at the end of the day, abolishing the list will only hurt the third party sellers. It will hurt the people that do buyouts and increase the prices. I find that those people are typically bad for the health of the secondary market.
October 4, 2016 6:08 p.m.
I agree with iAzire. The only people that like the reserved list are those that have invested heavily into the secondary market. And quite frankly, fuck those people. Making huge investments into a cardboard card is a stupid idea, and Wizards shouldn't bow down to these people, because they likely aren't going to buy new product anyways.
I'm upset that wizards won't abolish the reserved list when all it does is harm the game and upset the majority of the playerbase because of a few online retailers and fatcats that flip cards for a living.
October 4, 2016 10:54 p.m. Edited.
So basically, if you can convince Wizards that it's a financially smart move, then you can get it abolished. That's going to be difficult though. Without support from those with deep pockets, Magic takes a blow.
October 5, 2016 12:25 p.m.
Yall are forgetting the vaule prestige. Mtg boasts the most expensive prices of cardboard in the world, i am pretty sure.
That goes a long way, look at trump. That jackass has rode his prestigious, exclusive image almost to the white house.
Finally, just to be clear, i hste the reserve list myself, but i understand why wotz keeps it around- glamor baby!
October 5, 2016 3:28 p.m.
I very much doubt. Just compare mana crypt prices between old and newly printed.
October 5, 2016 9:43 p.m.
Old is typically worth more.
Avacyn, Angel of Hope Foil from Avacyn Restored was worth around $100. Since a foil was released in FTV: Angels, her Foil from AVR is around $80 now. The FTV print is worth the same as non-foil Avacyn from AVR.
Mana Crypt is a similar issue. The new are worth less than the old.
This is standard for Magic cards. New prints wouldn't hurt the older by much. I believe Foil ABUR Duals would end up being worth more, but the original prices wouldn't drop significantly.
October 5, 2016 11:25 p.m.
Harashiohorn says... #13
You could also consciously make the art worse on newer versions. I know this sounds like an odd tactic to use but it certainly seems to hold true. Also, lets be honest here, nothing is going to affect the prices of the AB duals, I mean an Alpha Shivan Dragon is 1300 dollars even though the card has been printed many many times. Reprinting will only affect the Revised cards, and to a lesser extent unlimited ones.
October 6, 2016 2:25 p.m.
SamCre1993 says... #15
To be fair, if they reprinted ABUR duals, Starcitygames would set the Price ridiculously high from the start. :((
October 7, 2016 3:02 p.m.
I just realised that the expansion symbol looks like Pi or the Champions of Kamigawa expansion symbol.
October 8, 2016 4:07 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #17
SamCre1993 It's not just SCG. A premium foil ABUR U-Sea could go easily for 2k-3k. I mean a FBB German NM Dual goes for 850Euro/piece at the moment.
October 8, 2016 4:13 a.m.
After Tezzeret opens a portal to New Phyrexia my guesses are we will be seeing Phyrexian Altar, Batterskull and Birthing Pod
October 19, 2016 9:48 a.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #19
nocsha, if Phyrexia does invade Kaladesh, I doubt that it shall happen in this block, since Kaladesh has only just been introduced, and I doubt that WotC would want to condemn it to the same fate as Mirrodin so soon after its introduction.
October 19, 2016 10:18 a.m.
EpicFreddi says... #20
Return to Kaladesh 2020 - Eldrazi vs. Phyrexia vs. the 5th edition gatewatch.
October 19, 2016 10:21 a.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #22
Are cards that have been reprinted in the masterpiece series still eligible to be reprinted in normal sets? I may have already mentioned this, but the filter lands are very expensive, and their reprints in Battle for Zendikar did not reduce their prices, at all, so I really would like to see them reprinted in a normal set, at some point.
October 24, 2016 1:26 p.m.
Harashiohorn says... #23
Yes all of the cards in the Masterpiece series could see reprints in other products such as say Commander products or something, and generally lands will eventually cycle back for reprints, it just might be quite some time before that happens. It took a long time for the Onslaught Fetches and Shocklands to get reprints, so I wouldn't expect the filters any time soon, unless they turn out to be the rumored rare lands in the upcoming commander products.
October 24, 2016 7:41 p.m.
DemonDragonJ says... #24
Harashiohorn, it would be incredibly awesome if the filter lands were in Commander 2016, but it is much more likely that WotC would reprint the "checklands" (i.e., Glacial Fortress and Isolated Chapel), because they are less expensive.
Even if WotC does not do that, they shall need to have exceptionally good mana bases for those decks, because each deck contains four colors. I myself am hoping for some excellent lands, as well as mana-generating artifacts; in particular, Chromatic Lantern would be amazing in the decks.
kanokarob says... #1
The problem, phc, is that your disinterest in those mechanics is not evidence that those mechanics are janky or redundant. I quite like energy, vehicles are neat if requiring effort, ingest and processors wer flavorful and made scary limited decks, and cohort gave us allies without the rally mechanic, which was frankly really annoying. I only ended up opening one expedition, and still quite liked the BfZ block, both limited and standard, and the same is true for Kaladesh.
There is a wide variety of players, and more of them are not at all like you than are. Wizards has said time and again that not everything will please everyone; if there is something in a set you don't like, then it isn't there for you.
While there are people who do, can, and will hunt for the Masterpiece Series, they are just as much there for "rare hunters" as they are for casuals to find unlikely treasure, either to use and be proud of or to sell off for the cards they enjoy.
October 3, 2016 3:49 p.m.