playing a sorcery without casting it.
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Posted on Nov. 23, 2015, 5:16 p.m. by mahdik
I'm working on my Zedruu chaos EDH right now and I want to know a thing. Is it possible to play a sorcery/instant spell with the use of a creature/artifact/enchantment/land WITHOUT casting it? (You know, putting a creature/artifact/enchantment/land onto the battlefield without casting it is pretty easy, but it isnt the same thing for sorcery or a an instant)
The main point is that I want to play more than only one EPIC spells (the ability epic).
I play Eternal Dominion and then, with the help of a creature/artifact/enchantment/land (I dont care) I play without casting it Enduring Ideal (because Eternal Dominion wont let me cast it or play it).
Is putting from my hand a card with the help of a third party considered playing it?
Here is an example of a card that nearly worked out. It is said on the oracle of Wild Evocation "Otherwise, the player casts it without paying its mana cost.", while on the card itself, it is said "Otherwise, the player casts it without paying its mana cost IF ABLE.".
The oracle FORCE me to cast it (it bypass Eternal Dominion), while Eternal Dominion force me to not do it on the card itself (because on Wild Evocation, it is said if able, which Im not). Its kind of obscure.
So my question is, do you know any card that let me "put onto the battlefield" a sorcery spell without casting it nor playing it, or if Wild Evocation already does it because of its wrong use of words?
Epochalyptik says... #3
Cards are always handled according to their Oracle text. The printed text is irrelevant.
"If able" just means "if you're able to cast it," and it has been removed from the Oracle text because the instructions can't force you to cast something you can't cast anyway. Can't always trumps can.
November 23, 2015 5:27 p.m.
Lordjorenby says... #4
You cannot use Wild Evocation to get around the restriction. I think you'll need to get all of your epic casts out of the way at once. This means doing everything you want to with epic before your first epic spell resolves.
Your best bet (that I know of) is to copy the spell on the stack (Reiterate, Mirari and similar) and/or to Quicken your next spell.You could also make more copies of a spell with Djinn Illuminatus.
I think if you went this route, you'd want do do something like:
In response, Quicken
Then copy as desired w/Reiterate and Djinn Illuminatus
November 23, 2015 5:35 p.m.
I was thinking of Quicken, but the odds that I have Enduring Ideal, Eternal Dominion AND Quicken in my hand are fewer than having a permanent help me play in instant speed an exiled epic spell.
Maybe a Panoptic Mirror but with the instant speed of Isochron Sceptor?
November 23, 2015 5:53 p.m.
JohnnyBaggins says... #6
Quicken and Leyline of Anticipation are similar in this case. Put Leyline down, search and stack your hand with the cards you need and then flash the others in response to the first.
November 23, 2015 6:52 p.m.
That's very clever, I have forgot there was enchants and artifacts that gives flash to everything.
Thank you guys for the answers, they helped out.
November 23, 2015 6:57 p.m.
zyphermage says... #9
Well Panoptic Mirror is good at fits the bill like was said, however it is also good enough to also be banned in commander.
November 23, 2015 7:21 p.m.
zyphermage, I didn't knew that, that's kind of funny.
November 23, 2015 7:31 p.m.
EDHNUT, its kind of you but you are kind of late to the party. My deck is already finished and I'm just trying to break it a little more.
If you want to see it, go ahead, its on my profile.
Jay says... #2
For future reference, rules questions go in the MTG Q&A.
Unfortunately, I don't have an A for this Q.
November 23, 2015 5:23 p.m.