So, I posted this comment on LEOVOLD IS BANNED!, and I know many of you could offer a lot of interesting opinions! Feel free to take a look over there :D

I feel like that it would get very confusing for people who aren't playing a structured game. Along with the usual "what level of competitive are you all playing" you would also have to constantly ask which banlist they follow.

Hmm, what if they said that the official banlist is the casual one for all scenarios except when a playgroup decides they prefer the more competitive-oriented banlist or when a tournament is being held? Would that solve the issue?

If someone is going to a new store or playing with new friends, they can assume that the casual banlist will be used AND assume to build a deck for that power level. On the other hand, if someone is going to a tournament, then they know that the tournament banlist will be used.

Why don't you just use the Duel Commander banlist?

While I understand it might not be as tailored towards multiplayer, it's certainly more balanced for competitive play than Commander. And like you said, making another format just for this would be confusing. There are already enough formats running around like Duel Commander and Leviathan.

Well while I wasn't thinking it was for a new format, why not just make a new format called "Competitive Commander"? cEDH and the game that 95% of commander players play are like night and day, so why not officially separate them?

Because the less artificial separation in the format the better.

Rules are best when they're simple and don't seem arbitrary. It's the same reason they got rid of "banned as a commander."

Ohthenoises, Apparently Garta likes Approach of the Second Sun enough to put in Narset. Check the decklist in the description, he goes into how to win with it in his primer. In addition to his method I see:

• Cast ETI

• Put Approach back on your library

• Exile Fury of the Horde for another combat.

• Cast Approach w/ Narset; it goes back on top of your library.

• Play enough mana rocks to cast an extra turn spell.

• Draw Approach and cast for the win.

So, 2 days ago wizards announced a banlist for 1v1 and multiplayer games on mtgo, while it is not the official banlist, i am curious about discussion on it, they really hit the nail on the head for the top cEDH lists here: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/magic-online/1v1-commander-banned-list

MagicalHacker, I think that having more distinct formats would create bumpy roads. Players like being able to play with the maximum amount of people possible. Creating divides between casual and competitive EDH would lower mobility of players to go between these two different play styles. Having a new competitive banned list would become similar to dual commander or leviathan, it's somewhat hard to find playgroups that adhere to those banned lists.

I dont really like this new format but then again I play trice and paper so eeh. Commander seems to me to be cEDH, 80% optimized, kitchen table, or flavor decks. Most casual groups prefer non combo/longer more diverse games. So they either play for determining 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th [onward] place regardless of when someone combos out, or just will ban/look down upon compeditive decks for being "unfun". Adding another format seems unnecessary when french commander was already a thing and this new banlist seems arbitrary at points.

in lighter news, Ill be posting the kefnet deck I recently made (needs testing) and might make him tier 3 instead of 4. Zenaku17

still dont like approach in narset cause its taking up a 6cmc slot that could be used for more combo potential but eeh cmc issues are not impossible to deal with for narset.

chaosumbreon87 thank you I look forward to seeing it. :)

Approach of the Second Sun is actually a 7 drop. I said 6 before because I was referring to GAAIV who reduces the cost.

Solid points. I can agree that having two formats would lessen the likelihood of a player of one type of commander to additionally play the other or move to only the other type.

Getting rid of banned as a commander was a really dumb decision. There is no reason Braids, Leo, or rofellos cannot be part of the 99 and they simply become very good creatures when you cant cast them multiple times a game

Really goes to show how unbalanced it is to share banlists for 1v1 and multiplayer...

Where is everyone thinking Samut is gonna end up?

We tentatively agreed on Tier 3 (see around page 199 in the archive). She is in decent enough colors and is a haste anthem.

I just playtested someone's elf ball build and it's a pretty good turn 5 kill probably 90% of the time. This was only about 15 games worth of playtesting though.

n0bunga: Those cards are much weaker without some of the ridiculous enablers. I dont know much about upheaval, but all the rest would be fine in multiplayer. There are far more degenerate cards that are not banned.

LTmiller, there are a lot of decks in T3 that consistently goldfish turn 5 wins actually. Sram, Titania, Teneb, Zurgo (essentially), Sachi, Mikaeus, Kozilek, Ezuri...

It mostly comes down to how well they do it compared to the higher tiers, crossed with how well they control the board at the same time.

Naya colors aren't really known for control, so Samut might have an uphill battle breaking into T2.5.

Why is Tymna the Weaver still tier 3? Phyrexian Arena in the command zone is a solid tier 2.0 at least, and most hatebears pilots agree she's way better than Karador.

p0megranates is totally right. I personally think Tymna is tier 1.5 at worst. This stax deck is probably the strongest stax deck currently aside from Teferi, which is not really stax.

Tymna and Tana dance under the crimson moon.

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Kaalia is commander centric, which is very fragile since almost all the giant fatties are horrible to have in hand without her. Even if you can get her ability going Angel/Demon/Dragon beats folds hard to many other decks. She lacks about 5 things necessary to be competitive outside Local Game Shops. Even if she was stronger Thrasios, Tymna and friends kind of killed all the Bant/Naya/Mardu commanders in competitive circles (except maybe alesha and to a lesser extent Derevi) since there are pretty much a strictly better option for those color scheme archetypes in 4 colors.

Zenaku17 here you go: Kefnet. That is also a kefnet nomination for tier 3.

Also, obligitory repost of my earlier commanders for nominations:

krenko-Krenko

hapatra-Hapatra

Hazezon Tamar-Hazezon

Samut v1-combo base

Samut v2-dork base

I'd also like to throw my Samut list in for consideration. Samut Competitive Combo mine is a little different than chaosumbreon87's in that I'm doing Devoted Druid and persist combos with a little infinite combat thrown in.

Although other decklist name is so much better than mine.