Please Soren, instead of telling me I misunderstand, enlighten me. Explain it to me, as if I were a simpleton.

CyborgAeon I'm honestly not sure what else you need explaining for. Soren841 did all the explaining he needs in the simplest terms and it just sounds like you're goading him at this point. He gave you a legitimate and straightforward answer to your question. I don't know what else you want out of this conversation.

CyborgAeon, I also explained it to you on your Reddit post. Your line uses the same number of cards for a worse combo.

Well, on a lighter note: I'd like to congratulate you gentlemen! You have outdone yourself. This is hands down, thee best Vannifar list I've seen to date. I love everything from removal/interaction suite to the Dosan the Falling Leaf to secure the win. I wish I had some pointers, but I feel like you guys hit every nail on the head.

Only thing I would maybe throw your way would be Autumn's Veil , seems like a nice fuck you at the end of very interactive stack.

Last but not least, if it's not a terrible inconvenience, would you guys mind creating a more expanded guide? I would love to see the creative process here a bit and what the mentality at every given stage of the game.

Congrats on the sick list, guys! This will be the list I will refer to when regarding the best build version of Vannifar.

Inkmoth_ It's definitely never far from consideration, I've just opted for things like Steel Sabotage because what hurts us more than counterspells/removal? Torpor Orb and Cursed Totem .

Soren841: Well played, good sir. The moment you pointed it out, I totally understood. Good choice, once I had that context I can see how carefully tailored the interaction suite is.

Inkmoth_ check the updates ;)

Soren841: Dude, nice touch! I feel a little dumb not noticing the lack of Natural Order before lol. Really good adds tho, I'm going to be trying out this list pretty soon at my game night. :D

Nice! I'm still just not sure about Natural Order over Intruder Alarm.. the only difference is we can tutors NO and it has more utility outside of combo, but its more mana :|

It just feels bad when you use it to combo and realize that IA would've been just as good.