I don't recognize that deck. What is a vengeance deck?

here is a primer

@Jack-Frost: is like a combo deck that is ridiculously weird and has a fair amount of intricacies for a combo deck. It can win on turn two. I used it for about a year.

yeah. its great. i do think it gets boring though. after a long time

It looks interesting, but I can see how you would lose interest after winning games in two turns or getting demolished every time

yeah. i play it sometimes, just to fuck with people. especially vs twin

jack, how is no emrakul workin for ya

@Jack-Frost: ya the combo goes the exact same time every time. Pretty much thats it and oh lord. SBing is a nightmare. "well I know I want this but what to take out... I could take out Combo piece 1, Combo piece 2, or Combo piece 3. Hmmmm"

I've only gotten to play my deck a few times since I switch out emrakul but so far it's been great. I like the spot removal, the pressure that my opponents have since they only have three turns to live (enough so that they often ignore wurmcoil engine), and I'm able to get it out a turn or two earlier every time. Plus I have the consistency of getting ulamog as opposed to either him or emrakul.

I do miss the protection that emrakul has as well as the extra turn, but so far i'm enjoying using two ulamog.

Honestly though, I think it is personal preference and you'll have to play it yourself to really tell (it also depends on how much spot removal there is in your meta). Both are great options and i'll have to play them a good bit more to really be able to give my opinion

hi car I'm here to tell you not to shamelessly plug your deck

XD yeah, sry about that. The last few times, I was posting it for somebody. Before that, it was to annoy somebody.

dooblydor, Natural State seems better, but it is actually not as good as Nature's Claim because with tron it doesnt matter how much life your opponent has since even with infinite life we can deck them, or restart the game with karn. It also has the benefit of being able to target our own artifacts in order to gain life in match ups like burn.

car, this is definitely a meta call, but have you considered running Shatterstorm, Shattering Spree, or Ancient Grudge in your sideboard for the affinity match up? For me, its always been the hardest match up, and since youre running All Is Dust over Oblivion Stone it might be beneficial.

He ended up dropping All Is Dust, but of those three I would drop shatterstorm simply because tron really needs its artifacts in case we need to ramp, and that would be lethal to us. Other than that, it's personal choice and meta.

thanks. the only problem with those is how much red mana they cost. 1 per artifact is insane